Oct. swap n sell

[trademan]

Re: Oct. swap n sell

Charles I quote
"Trademan....you have no clue as to the state of HAS and its events. If you think you do, come try being auctioneer for 10 or so hours at FOTAS and you can see what a poor state of affairs it is. I think that would speak loudly to your knowledge of the same. Your assumption of the state of affairs of any club where you have zero first hand knowledge is, other than what I addressed with Walter concerning what should have been done privately, the only idea in this thread that wasn't well thought out and/or sensible. "

My response: I'm sorry I touched on a sensitive spot - however, as a former 2 term board member of HAS, I believe I do have first hand knowledge. Knowlege that HAS currently, while implying, that it is operated as a not for profit, association dedicated to the betterment of the hobby and education of the public regarding our hobby has some very disturbing issues:

1. While I was a board member, not once was an actual detailed financial report made to the board OR the general, dues paying membership.

2. Not 1 single free educational program was carried out - even though TFH magazine was willing to provide FREE setups to us for schools that we wanted to support - the officers killed the idea.

3.Not 1 public fish show was held - though 2 malls were willing to host it for us - the officers killed the idea.

4. The officers also refused FREE legal services to become a legal, legitimate non profit organization.

Charles, I could continue, but I don't wish you or your organization ill - JUST PLEASE, you and your "designated hitters" stop pretending to "help out"  other fish clubs in the Houston area and try tending to cleaning your own house first.

[twofronts]

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I would be interested in going, I dont check very often but if some could pm me as the date gets closer I would really appreciate it. Work and 2 year of son has really taken a tole on me and my free time is very limited, but i would really be interested in going.


thanks in advance.

[marauder_77868]

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I believe I know who you are and I know why you left. I can go into details, but I've been trying to take the high road with this thing. The thinking that we're operating this club as anything other than non-profit is a sure sign that you have no clue about the operations of the club. Anyone that doubts this, please PM me and I'll be happy to get together with you and prove this.

1. Financial reports were given. Any major expenditures were reviewed and voted upon by the board, as required by the bylaws.  

2. Educational programs were carried out, are still being carried out, and will continue to be carried out. Those were reviewed in the board meetings as well. Agreed, more educational programs should be undertaken.

3. I received zero specific data about any mall show, ever. I did, however, receive a ludicrous proposal to reserve our auction hall, a hall which was being set aside for us for free at a cost to the owners of the hall, for a performance by a clown.

4. If given an attorney to contact, legal services would not have been refused. The officers were also worried about entering into any potential bartering scheme.

Finally, I don't need a "designated hitter". I'm quite capable of protecting my own honor and that of the aquarium society as well. You do a disservice to people who disagree with you by saying that they are a "designated hitter" for me. I don't pretend to help out. Ask those in the know ar TCA or HCCC. You were allowed into the "inner circle" of HAS against my better judgment. I wish that I could take some sort of satisfaction in seeing that judgment proved correct. And trust me, if we need to clean house we do so. Look at yourself as a case in point. So, let this nonsense go. HAS isn't out to get anyone. We're not worried about competition. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize that HAS has created several clubs in the past. The fact is, you don't know what you're talking about.

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[wvgdiscus]

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Guess I will throw my two cents in.

Walter, I must say that I am surprised at how you attacked Scott's integrity on this open forum.  I don't think that was a cool thing to do.  


Raul

Your surprise at me & now your doing this yourself.

[JLawson]

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OK.... everybody get a Nerf bat and meet after school!

I apologize for butting in here, especially because I'm not a member of any club or organization being 'discussed' in this thread.  However, I am a daily reader of this forum and I've grown to enjoy it quite a bit.  This exchange of opinion is uncomfortable for me to read as I would imagine it is for others who regularly turn to this forum for valuable advice and information.  A more suitable venue could no doubt be found to continue this business.

May I suggest, please, that this issue be resolved among those most offended in a more private manner.

Thanks.

[HFBfounder]

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OK, This thread is supposed to be about the swap and sell. Stick to that topic or I'll lock it. Thanks, ken

[Tiapan]

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OK well that was a long read for me to say, Yes Scott i Will be at the Swap and BBQ. Along with the Girlfriend. so you have a 2 count from me. For those interested in what i am bringin to swap. i have lots of vals. some crypts. some small swords(maybe) najas grass. and i think thats about all right now (shrimp arent big enough to breed just yet. and waiting on the cookatoo apistos.(havent spawned yet but they are lookin real nice) now on the BBQ side is there anything that you want me to bring Scott? desserts or side dishs, or do you need me to bring raw meet or cooking? just want to do my part so you dont shoulder all the burden all the time. just let me know. as always i appreciate what you are doing and the wonderful hospitality that i have gotten at your residence.

[SCOTT]

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I will be providing Sausage, Chopped Beef, Potato Salad, and Beans. If there is something that you would like that is not already on the menu, by all means feel free to bring it, but you are not "expected" to bring anything.

[rrocket2002]

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Scott,

I'll be there with two of my boys.  I don't think my wife will be feeling up for the event.

Raul

[HFBfounder]

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Hey, I just looked at the FOTAS schedule and they have a lunch slot on saturday from 12-2pm. If you're going to have the BBQ between that time(it looks like you are), you can count me and my wife in!

[SCOTT]

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In an attempt to accomodate as many as possible, we will be pushing the start time for the swap back to noon. That way both events can run at the same time. By doing that, those who are planning to attend Fotas will still have the option of hitting the swap and getting something to eat. I hope this makes everything a bit more simple for everyone.

[jklntx]

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Should we comment on  someone choosing to use this forum to express their opinion? I think not since it is a forum and this is the United States. This forum centers around fish and some may question these posts are discussing fish an argument can be made that the underlying topic remains.... meetings about fish.

Whats nice about this country is we can say what we want and if others don't want to listen they dont have to. No one is forcing us to read these posts.

We have enough uptight folks in this country that want to censure all types of freedoms because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

I am fine with folks expressing their opinions about fish topics.. I can tell in the first few words of a sentence that its a personal view...I skip it, except in this case,and read on. If the string persists, I move on.

[Ellen]

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Nope, I also feel that should have been done in private. Its not censorshipe, nobody's saying Walter can't have an opinion, but it was not on topic, and it was a little catfight. Those never need to be public. They just make people look bad.

Ellen

[SCOTT]

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Let it go, it's all over now. I'll see you all at the BBQ on Saturday. Lets have some fun and forget the unpleasantness.

[daisymac]

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I really want to participate in so many of the functions that are offered here on the board. I enjoy the interactions that go on and am terribly curious to meet all of you. I also would really like to be more informed, and I know that you alll have so much to offer.

Having said that, I have a problem with my spouse. He is not interested in this except to want to buy fish for the tank. He resents the amount of time I spend with the tank, so I have to get things done while he is at work - even though I also have a business here.

I am just letting you know this because I don't want people to think that I am being a snob, or justing using the board. I think that everyone on the board should be treated equally whether or not they join the activities.

Also, most of the functions are not in our area, and he isn't going to drive any distance, or will he let me go alone. I wish I could go to the BBQ, but (sigh) I can't. Maybe one day!

You are all to be commended for volunteering your time and efforts regardless of which club you are in.