Breeder Awards Points

[Fancyfish]

Back when Houston Aquarium Society was more active, they had a BAP and HAP award program. It was one point per species with plants and fish seperate. Documentation or donation was required to recieve the points. It was a program I participated in as that is something I'm very interested in. I'm not a member of your club, but that could just persuade me to join. I have to say I've not read everything that's been posted and maybe this question has already been answered. Are you going to start everyone at 0 or will people get points for fish they had previously bred?

[mnemenoi]

I am not certain as to how GHAC will be handling previously bred fish, perhaps starting everyone at an even number. As to the points system, it is again another issue we will look into. I myself prefer a graduated system of scales. I agree that certain species are far easier for us houstonians, but softer water fish are far more difficult. Wild fish and fish that are threatened or exctinct in the wild would certainly be of concern to me, but there are many folk in the hobby with numerous areas of interest and I myself want this to include a little something far all aquarists, especially beginning breeders.

[SunnyHouTX]

Won't this program make breeders cycle through species they hold in their tanks? That kinda discourages folks who keep the same fish for years from entering the program.

[sunkenmetal]

to keep people breeding the same species you could

Awards points for each group of fry.

then bonus points for difficulty and how rare they are.

So if you are breeding something like convicts you get points for the fry but less bonus points for difficulty and rarity. But since they breed like rabbits you get points for each batch of fry...

If you are breeding something that is harder to breed you get more points so it would all work out in the end.

[Fancyfish]

to keep people breeding the same species you could

Awards points for each group of fry.

then bonus points for difficulty and how rare they are.

So if you are breeding something like convicts you get points for the fry but less bonus points for difficulty and rarity. But since they breed like rabbits you get points for each batch of fry...

If you are breeding something that is harder to breed you get more points so it would all work out in the end.

That is an interesting idea. I like it.

[LooksLater]

I am not certain as to how GHAC will be handling previously bred fish, perhaps starting everyone at an even number. As to the points system, it is again another issue we will look into. I myself prefer a graduated system of scales. I agree that certain species are far easier for us houstonians, but softer water fish are far more difficult. Wild fish and fish that are threatened or exctinct in the wild would certainly be of concern to me, but there are many folk in the hobby with numerous areas of interest and I myself want this to include a little something far all aquarists, especially beginning breeders.

I am leaning towards everyone starting at 0. I think it would encourage beginners, and obviously if we're going to ask for even light documentation (a photo, etc) it will become tricky to award "back-points" fairly...I know, personally, I don't keep good records OR have a good memory! And while everyone starting at zero will encourage new breeders, it seems logical that those with the prior experience and who already have breeding colonies and set-ups will end up pulling ahead a little faster, anyway. Does that make sense?

Won't this program make breeders cycle through species they hold in their tanks? That kinda discourages folks who keep the same fish for years from entering the program.

I'm kinda worried about that too. I'm all for responsible fishkeeping, and I'd hate to see this turning into wet-pets getting dumped into bad care/no care. But it occurred to me as I was dreaming over some new shrimp and things, most people's pocketbook will limit them. There are exceptions, but I think most people who would join a program like this are normal people, with bills and lives...and thus will hesitate to shuck out the bucks to rotate their species, breed and sell them for a loss just to shuck out more money and do it all over again. It might be different if there were solid financial rewards, but for bragging points and maybe some fry money? There might be a few who want to rotate heavily, but I wouldn't think it'd last long. Is that naive of me? Lol.

to keep people breeding the same species you could

Awards points for each group of fry.

then bonus points for difficulty and how rare they are.

So if you are breeding something like convicts you get points for the fry but less bonus points for difficulty and rarity. But since they breed like rabbits you get points for each batch of fry...

If you are breeding something that is harder to breed you get more points so it would all work out in the end.

I'm pretty sure this is the direction to go. It makes sense to have varying points based on varying difficulty and rarity.

Now, drafting up the points lists is going to be the fun part! So, just spitballing... but who was wanting to volunteer their experience for categories again? Oh, and what are the categories going to be? Plants, inverts, fish? What am I forgetting??

[johnnymisty]

Don't forget corals for us salt keepers, reptiles/amphibians

[LooksLater]

Yes! See, I knew there was a bunch of stuff I couldn't come up with...

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[sunkenmetal]

best thing to do is to have a few people come up with lists and then vote at your meetings

[HiepSTA]

it seems that armthehomeless is much more experienced than I am at inverts/shrimp, but im willing to help out for the inverts category, but i really only know about shrimps, so snails and crabs and such would be out of my knowledge range

[troy tucker]

I like this. It does have some holes in it but all good ideas do. I my self breed one kind of fish but may do some others. It would give me more interest in the auctions and more interest in the club.

[mnemenoi]

I think once I can get everything a bit calmer here at work, I'll try and work with everyone and see about some preliminary stuff to toss about and maybe hammer out something a bit more workable. Otherwise I have a week off coming up and can probably do a bit then.

[armthehomeless]

Certainly some details to flesh out...

[HiepSTA]

how about a point system based on some criteria, that add up to a total score per brood. everything would be on a scale of 1-10 that add up to 50pts per batch.

example.

Species rarity- 5/10
breeding difficulty - 9/10
size of clutch (how many babies) - 5/10
grade/quality - 7/10
__________? - 10/10

total score = 36 pts for this set of babies

[HiepSTA]

experts in the specific species or group of fish/inverts can be the judge of how many points