Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

[Delock]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

but what are replacement fish?

"Replacement or Additional Fish : Fish to replace DOA's will be sold at cost per fish to import. Group-buy members can also purchase additional fish at this same cost. This is defined as, the purchase price from the list based upon order size and the shipping price of the box divived by the number of fish that came in that box."

[armthehomeless]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

thx

[rrocket2002]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

I believe that is where you can buy additional fish back from Mike if he as in on part of the box.  Say out of a box of 56, 8 don't make it before or during acclimation.  In that case, Mike will sell you some of his portion of the box to make up your share that you lost.

My understanding anyways.  Don't forget the taxes... :)

RT

[geoff_tropheus]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Tim,

Replacement fish are fish you buy to replace any DOA's or Fish lost during acclimation.  When you buy replacement fish you will be charged tax on the fish.  The fish will have a price that includes its shipping cost.

You do not have to buy replacement fish, if you choose not to.  It is completely up to you to do or not to do that.

Derek,

You need to understand that the tax will be applied to all merchandise.  This is defined as anything tangible you will be taking with you.  The sales tax will be applied to the list price of the fish, and the bagging charges.  This is all stuff you are taking with you.  Taxes are a real pain, but unfortunately it is what life has become.  All I can suggest to you at this point and to the others who dont like taxes, is write your congressman complain, and ROCK THA VOTE!!

Geoff

[Delock]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

maybe i'm the *** of the gruop. but tell me why hobbyist have to have someone else acclimate thier fish for 2 weeks. My understanding is that most of the fish are already in holding tanks ACA. So we go from holding tank to bag to shipping to holding tank to bag to shipping to home tank.

I wish we could jsut meet and pick up. This save us a trip and the hassle of bagging and unpacking.

[armthehomeless]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

So I am clear on this... lets say that 1 Ectodus dies... how are we to decide whose Ectodus that is (seeing as how there are four buyers) I assume that if four were to be DOA, then each buyer would suffer the loss on one fish.

[Delock]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

So I am clear on this... lets say that 1 Ectodus dies... how are we to decide whose Ectodus that is (seeing as how there are four buyers) I assume that if four were to be DOA, then each buyer would suffer the loss on one fish.

Well, if one is doa then four people woud be refunded four ways for that one fish (plus tax). Now if one dies during the two weeks...you are sol and maybe able to buy one at a replacement cost of the cost you payed (plus tax).

[rrocket2002]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Easy

Rock, Paper, Scissors!

[geoff_tropheus]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Derek,

The problem with that is...

1.  Getting (16) people together and opening (15) boxes of fish and splitting up the different orders.  This could be a total nightmare and a lot more stress on the fish than needed.

2.  Some people may not know how to acclimate.

3.  Even though the fish from the list have been in holding tanks for a number of weeks, some may still not be eating.  Michelle has told me that all her fish are acclimated to eating spirulina pellets prior to shipment.  After all the Shipments that have come to Alex's store where it was weeks sometimes before all were eating flake foods, I am still not 100% sold that this is a true acclimation performned by her staff of people.  At Mikes, all fish will be eating spirulina flake and pellets prior to pickup.  Your box of fish has one other buyer.  If you get with them and they also agree to meet, I dont think Mike would have any problem giving the both of you that box, and saying here you go.  Then it is between the two of you to figure out how split up the two orders. Please PM me and I can make some suggestions to you on that.

Geoff

[geoff_tropheus]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Tim,

If 5 Ectodus die, then all 4 buyers and Mike looses a fish.

If 4 Ectodus die, then 4 people at random will loose one fish each.

If 1 Ectodus should die, then 1 person will loose a fish.

How will this be determined who looses fish and who does not?

1.  Ask for volunteer.
2.  I will go to Raul's House and have one of his Kid's draw a name from a hat.  I will do this once I get the total number of DOA's (arrival and first 24 hours).  Then I will do this.  These are the only fish that get 100% re-inbursed back.  After the 24 hour period is over, all fish that die from then on will be talleyed, and then drawn from a hat who lost a fish.  No one will loose 2 fish, before all people on that box have lost 1 and so forth this is also applied to the DOA's

How will it be dertermined who gets first dibs on replacement fish or additional fish.

1.  The order at which people lost fish will determine the order.  So we got 4 people plus Mike on the Ectodus.  10 Ectodus have died.  That means that everyone lost about 2 fish each.  This leaves Mike with 10 fish for re-sale.  Not counting Mike, the order at which their name was drawn from the hat gives them the picking order to buy replacement fish.  No one can buy additional fish, until everyone has been given the chance to get replacement fish first.  Then at that time, you can get additional fish if you like or even purchase other left over from the other boxes, if all their DOA's and acclimation losses have been given the proper chance for repalcement.

Hope this has helped...

Geoff

[Delock]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Derek,

The problem with that is...

1.  Getting (16) people together and opening (15) boxes of fish and splitting up the different orders.  This could be a total nightmare and a lot more stress on the fish than needed.

2.  Some people may not know how to acclimate.

3.  Even though the fish from the list have been in holding tanks for a number of weeks, some may still not be eating.  Michelle has told me that all her fish are acclimated to eating spirulina pellets prior to shipment.  After all the Shipments that have come to Alex's store where it was weeks sometimes before all were eating flake foods, I am still not 100% sold that this is a true acclimation performned by her staff of people.  At Mikes, all fish will be eating spirulina flake and pellets prior to pickup.  Your box of fish has one other buyer.  If you get with them and they also agree to meet, I dont think Mike would have any problem giving the both of you that box, and saying here you go.  Then it is between the two of you to figure out how split up the two orders. Please PM me and I can make some suggestions to you on that.

Geoff

Going to corner for the day.....

[Jolley]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

I'm curious how the male/female ratio is going to be divided up evenly. Someone must feel pretty confident of their venting capabilities. :) I'm just saying..... :)

[Delock]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

I'm curious how the male/female ratio is going to be divided up evenly. Someone must feel pretty confident of their venting capabilities. :) I'm just saying..... :)

shaking head from the corner

[geoff_tropheus]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

The fish are sent from Michelle in 1:2 sometimes 1:3 ratio unless specified by her.

Depending on DOA's and acclimation deaths, there is no telling what ratio may exist when pickup time comes.

Mike will vent the fish and try to maintain the ratio that it was sent at according to the invoice.

I can vent Petrochromis and Tropheus without an issue, as long as the fish is over 3.5"  Below 3.5", unspawned females will look like males. At that point, it is more about their behavoirism, and sometimes mouthshape.

Atleast with Trewavasae, 98% of fish with eggspots you will know to be male no matter the size.

The non-Petro/Tropheus will require expertise and reference book/material.  

Geoff

[Jolley]

Re: Direct Import from Africa - African Cichlids Aquaculture

Geoff, tell Michelle to tag each fish male or female. Problem solved. LOL!