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[moganman]

Sure is survival of the fittest with all of those meds. I'm sure some could have suffered from an immune system failure. Dang that's alot. All I ever use is metro and bifuran. I use clout alone. I've used metro, bifuran, parasite guard, and clout all together and had a terrible survival ratio. Metro and bifuran has been the best combination for me thus far. It's important you do research before just treating with all those meds. JEHMCO reps can help you with what combinations work. Those are some harsh meds to be mixing. Wild caught fish have a greater genetic diversity. With that, they respond differently to meds.

[Mastiffman]

Sure is survival of the fittest with all of those meds. I'm sure some could have suffered from an immune system failure. Dang that's alot. All I ever use is metro and bifuran. I use clout alone. I've used metro, bifuran, parasite guard, and clout all together and had a terrible survival ratio. Metro and bifuran has been the best combination for me thus far. It's important you do research before just treating with all those meds. JEHMCO reps can help you with what combinations work. Those are some harsh meds to be mixing. Wild caught fish have a greater genetic diversity. With that, they respond differently to meds.

Well said Josiah. This is why research on meds and whether or not they can be safely used together, whether dangerous or possible disabling of other meds is important. Clout will typically get ride of most parasites if used long enough. But it can be taxing on an already compromised immune system.

[SunnyHouTX]

I've used all these meds at once for best results on trophs and petros, including my colony of Moliros, and the ones that really affect fish are Bifuran and Metro as an antibiotic. The others' mode of action is targeted to certain features in parasites that are not found in fish so basically they are harmless to fish. There has been no documented evidence that one destabilizes another when used together, only opinions that they "can be". Read up on the ingredients in Tetra Parasite Guard, you'll see that they're some harsh stuff, but they're not lethal to fish. Even Praziquantel can be overdosed without harming the fish.

Johnny, those fish that died seem to have been kicked out of the colony, which is to be expected when adding new fish to an existing colony. One sign is when they're floating in slow motion like you said. Saw a few of those in my Moliro colony after they got over the "bug" and started setting their hierarchy again. Meds won't help that. Deaths stopped once I got the aggression under control, which included taking some rocks out, etc.

[aquabee]

Man... These fish are drama.

[SunnyHouTX]

Man... These fish are drama.

Trust me, it's not the fish

[johnnymisty]

I've used all these meds at once for best results on trophs and petros, including my colony of Moliros, and the ones that really affect fish are Bifuran and Metro as an antibiotic. The others' mode of action is targeted to certain features in parasites that are not found in fish so basically they are harmless to fish. There has been no documented evidence that one destabilizes another when used together, only opinions that they "can be". Read up on the ingredients in Tetra Parasite Guard, you'll see that they're some harsh stuff, but they're not lethal to fish. Even Praziquantel can be overdosed without harming the fish.

Johnny, those fish that died seem to have been kicked out of the colony, which is to be expected when adding new fish to an existing colony. One sign is when they're floating in slow motion like you said. Saw a few of those in my Moliro colony after they got over the "bug" and started setting their hierarchy again. Meds won't help that. Deaths stopped once I got the aggression under control, which included taking some rocks out, etc.

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony

[SunnyHouTX]

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony

Don't be discouraged. Let them chill out without a scape for a few weeks, get an automatic feeder and get the lights on a timer so that they settle into a daily routine during that time. Then you can think about slowly introducing some rocks

[Mastiffman]

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony

This also happens when a fish falls ill... If there were no signs of damage on the ill fish, I don't know if that would be the sole culprit. Although it would raise stress and further compromise their immune systems. So I guess in one or another it could be patially responsible.

How do they all seem to be doing today?

[SunnyHouTX]

This also happens when a fish falls ill... If there were no signs of damage on the ill fish, I don't know if that would be the sole culprit. Although it would raise stress and further compromise their immune systems. So I guess in one or another it could be patially responsible.

How do they all seem to be doing today?

Trophs don't need to be physically damaged to succumb to stress.

[Mastiffman]

Trophs don't need to be physically damaged to succumb to stress.

Oh I agree.

[SunnyHouTX]

And they can also be a victim of aggression without visible signs of damage.

[New_Cichlid11]

O I disagree.

[SunnyHouTX]

LOL

[Mastiffman]

And they can also be a victim of aggression without visible signs of damage.

I agree with this as well. I do see your point Sunny.

In this case, do you think that the chances are high that multiple fish all fell to the same physical punishment? With the Same invisible symptoms? Or would chances be higher that the fell ill?

[SunnyHouTX]

Like I mentioned before, same thing happened with my Moliro colony till I got aggression under control. No signs of physical damage.

What I'm trying to say is the aggressor doesn't have to actually touch the victims for them to get kicked out of the colony