Ruh-roh!

[myjohnson]

The Macro I took from Murdock was a bonefied killer.
IMHO It all depends on the fish itself just like humans, dogs, etc...

Agreed, it does indeed depend on the fish.

Question, if you knew that fish was a killer...why did you get him?

[Darth Coqui]

Not necessarily Mogan,
Just my perception of this is:
To a degree, everyone on this thread is correct in their own experience or personal preference.
It is great that so many facets of this hobby are indeed unknowns. Even the most educated in Petros still has questions that need answering and by getting the answers is through experiences or the experienced cost of others.
My experience vs someone else is just that.
Except that it would not rather be me due to the money and emotions of having the cichlids and treating them like family in such.
**I would rather watch somebody else get burned by the stove and me learning from that experience, therefore I will not touch the stove when hot. But that is just me**


Frankie

[myjohnson]

I think participation in the threads are optional.

Exactly, they have a right to be emo.

And I have a right to call them out on it.

All optional.

[Darth Coqui]

It did not bother me that he whacked everyone. No emo in me, lol.
Plus he needed a good home and be loved, let alone I wanted that variant. winny win win for me.
And.... I love me some mean fishes. (I prob get flamed but hey, thats just me. I am aggressive in nature)
I want more to my family, soooo please help a bro out. Crackheads like me be geeking for Kipilis.

Frankie

[eklikewhoa]

Since this type of behavior is justified, we should all overstock our tanks with petros and tetras and expect since it's "appropriately" stocked that all fish will survive. Gimme a break

or just not keep fish at all?
Tetras, IMHO would not be lumped in with this discussion as to provide for most of them is fairly simple.

If you have a better solution to dealing with the aggression of petros/trophs by all means please do share as I will cease to suggest what has worked for me to better help a fellow hobbyist and be of all ears as to your solution.

The behavior you are not agreeing with is not justified but in the same sense, is intentionally keeping only few agressive fish by themselves knowing they will kill one another justified?


Please do enlighten me, we can have a civil discussion about this as I would like to know.
My culture has been embedded in my way of life so I have very little feelings or sympathy to animals that most consider a meal.

[moganman]

Yeah so under stocking isn't necessarily bad and it can't be compared to putting a much smaller fish in a tank with a starved and known killer. They are ethically on the two opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm not emo, I used to box, I've had over 100 in my life. No one but family and close friends know that. I would have never fought anyone that I knew I could beat.

[eklikewhoa]

so not educating yourself about the husbandry of an incapable species in captivity and allowing for them to kill each other and play ignorant to it is not animal cruelty?

Did you know that Cyps are the natural food source of cyphos? would you consider me cruel for buying cyps to house with cyphos?

I might be mistaken but by your reasoning that would be considered cruel since the cyp has no obvious defense against the cyphos but in your ignorance(hypothetically speaking) you did not know they are considered food. so I am cruel for doing so but then if you kept cyphos I would consider you cruel for not providing them with something they are accustomed to.


I'm not attacking you about your viewpoint or opinions J, just trying to get some good discussion going about what is fit. Lets not get personal either cause bruce lee was a tiny dude and I'd put money on him and would pay to watch him fight someone like Kimbo Slice.

[sunkenmetal]

lee shao long would kick that dudes arse

[eklikewhoa]

After seeing the vid I am going to have to further disagree with you guys.

You guys passed judgement without knowing any history about the person or the fish or if in fact that BG actually did that damage to the Moshi. It looks like the BG was just hungry and let it's natural survival instincts kick in and decided it was time for it to eat.

[sunkenmetal]

where is this vid? I watched a couple vids but did not see anything like that.

[Bedlamer]

Tony Jaa FTW! Always bet on the Thai...

[eklikewhoa]

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Idunno if someone here speaks fish language but I see ZERO damage done by the BG, even after it grasped it. For all we know based on just seeing the vid alone the BG was trying to revive the Moshi.

[sunkenmetal]

That is what people have their panties in a bunch about? Is that other fish even alive?

[eklikewhoa]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see a single scale fly off after the BG grasped it nor torn fins or missing chunks of flesh.

[moganman]

Lol!!! Growing up fighting, you knew who would be easy and you knew who would be hard. Kimbo is a brawler, with enough patience to beat those with less patience. Bruce Lee was smart, knowing to aim for the weakest body parts and he was taught patience. If he had an opportunity to fight an easy opponent, I'm sure he would've chosen not to. Same case here. Why in the hell will this guy put a fish in there with a killer if he knows it will be easy? If he has balls, put two males of the same kind in there and let them duke it out. As far as the cyps, it all depends on the acclimation of the fish. I feel like we're talking about apples and oranges. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. How many times do we actually see our fish breed? Sometimes but not most of the time. At least not me unless I stay home and stare at the tank. For there to be only those two fish in the tank, him recording the fish being killed is obvious that it was intentional. Making a mistake based on ignorance with the lack of education is one thing. Being educated and allowing a fish to do that is another. Its probably his knowledge of what the fish is capable of and has a history of killing that led him to do that. I know you wouldn't intentionally hurt your fish to the point of death. My point is, this dude probably has this one tank just to get a kick out of seeing the BG beat other fish to death. And that's not right by any means and I don't think it can be compared to those who take chances of under stocking.