Yellow labs died :(

[Lovefishes]

Hey Ek, i had PMed him because i thought not many would respond to this..

[sountfc]

What chemicals were applied and how much?

If the tank was new and there was no bioload at all for 36 hours, I would be surprised if a deadly spike would happen that soon after the fish were introduced.

Were all the fish observed to be healthy and eating before you purchased them from the seller?

Its a 30 Gal tank. 30*12.5*18.5
No other fishes. Just those mentioned above.

Have few rocks which were in another tank. Have filter and aeration.
Had kept the water for close to 35 hours after applying the checmicals

[sountfc]

Not sure I follow that. Can you explain?

So far though if I were to take a good guess I would say poor health to begin with or too long of a travel time. If they were bagged ammonia would have spiked and as soon as you opened the bag the introduction of fresh air would have made the ammonia lethal. This is where your acclimation method comes into play.

[Totenkampf]

i agree with EK that it would be odd for the tank to spike quickly enough to kill that fast, but then if these fish are adult size you have greatly overstocked your tank. looking tired is often oxygen depeletion but you are running an airstone. sometimes stress can kill pretty quickly, even a really sturdy fish like labs and especially if they were not all that well to begin with.

you may loose more once the tank really starts to cycle since you have stocked way too many fish too quickly. very frequent water changes is one thing to do

[R_sustaita]

fish are 2-3 inch

[eklikewhoa]

look dude, he pm me. my guess is because he saw that i have also yellow labs. i never said i was the best person to give advise. he told me it was a new tank with about 36hrs of a cycle. and to me that is not a proper cycle. you should focus to help him and not on seen what i do!

Why you getting so butt hurt?
I can multi task, So far I think I'm handling the situation fine and providing adequate help thus far.

BTW, in 36hrs you would have just water... not sufficient time to begin a cycle IME. Proper cycle is one thing, but if it hasn't started then it's nothing but clean water.

[eklikewhoa]

Not sure I follow that. Can you explain?

In a bag the co2 level raises while o2 level is depleted thus dropping the pH levels.
Fish poop and what not creates ammonia but with the low pH levels due to the increase of co2 converts that into ammonium which is less lethal to the fish.

As soon as you open up that bag the pH level will start to increase again from the out gassing of the co2 and then the ammonium quickly turns back into ammonia thus burning the gills of the fish and if your acclimation time/process is a long one or you house the fish temporarily in water ever in old water the ammonia increases and effects the fish that much more.

[eklikewhoa]

A newly set up tank is just a tank filled with clean water.
People add detritus/gunk/ammonia to jump start the cycle cause without it you will just have plain water in the tank. So fish dieing in clean water would be one of the last reasons I would think, but I will gladly read what you have to say and discuss this with you R_GetAngryPerson

R_butthurtdude, if you actually read a nitrogen cycle article and understood it you would know. You cycle a tank to be able to have beneficial bacteria available to handle the stock load without problems other than that you would be using fish to cycle and that is cause the fish produce the ammonia to jump start the nitrogen cycle which still takes how long? usually weeks so for you to jump in and say that the fish died cause the tank wasn't cycled is a blank statement seeing as though there is little info provided (even if everything said so far was sent to you in a pm).

I personally don't do fishless cycle, I dont cycle any tanks I set up really, wanna know how many fish I've lost over night after putting them in? Now if I added an ammonia source and it was a week later then I would blindly say a cycle was the culprit of losing fish with no information.

[Mandocruz06]

Ek very smart...lol

[eklikewhoa]

Ek very smart...lol

That sounded a bit smartarse.... LoL, I knows my chit man, just cause I troll on here a lot and my post count is high doesn't mean it's all crap posting. There was a time on this forum where there was a lot of good discussions and such going on and I credit my post count to the good ole days. Lately on here there's been little real discussion going on without someone getting all butt hurt or just not much to talk about period.

I love a good discussion, there's a lot to learn from each other and compare what we observe in different settings.

[moganman]

If u need media, we can swap out some and you can take some of my water and substrate. The water part doesn't do much but the used media will. I can keep them with my demasoni if they aren't big enough to eat them.

[Mandocruz06]

Lol ek i knw bruhh its kinda thr way when u sell good quality fish and at a good price and yet plp still wanna say the price is too high ..lol...oh well just remember ..

"Working with the negative,can make for better pictures"

[eklikewhoa]

LoL that's houston for you.

[Totenkampf]

In a bag the co2 level raises while o2 level is depleted thus dropping the pH levels.
Fish poop and what not creates ammonia but with the low pH levels due to the increase of co2 converts that into ammonium which is less lethal to the fish.

As soon as you open up that bag the pH level will start to increase again from the out gassing of the co2 and then the ammonium quickly turns back into ammonia thus burning the gills of the fish and if your acclimation time/process is a long one or you house the fish temporarily in water ever in old water the ammonia increases and effects the fish that much more.

Last month's TFH mag details this as a common problem when acclimating bagged fish that have been shipped through the mail, i found it interesting and probably would have missed this until it was too late

[eklikewhoa]

That's why I don't cycle tanks nor drip acclimate if I don't have to.