Wet Dry Media

[Notsoballinxhobo]

I guess we're at a stalemate then, mate.

Unless I "induce failure" on one of sumps with a hammer. That would be dumb, so I won't.

There are multiple points that could fail in the wet/dry system outside of the obvious "put a hammer to it". I guess I am the only one that thinks so

[cu0ngsayz]

K1/3 and bioballs are basically the same if used in a canister. Yes it was made to run in a fluidized bed so the old dead Bactria will fall off the surface of the k1/3 to make room for new bacteria to grow in its place. Running it in a canister or as a replacement for bio balls doesn't mean it doesn't work or defeats the purpose. It still works.

[SunnyHouTX]

once again, my level of experience shouldn't be based on my post count or registered date.

So bro, if you are really trying to question my experience or insult my level of intelligence please do your research or only chime in when you feel you are absolutely sure or willing to accept where you are wrong.

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...-4-types&pp=10

So let's get this straight: it's ok for you to question our experience to qualify our answers but it's a no-no the other way around? LOL, GTFO dude.

Please see above link

Level of experience, I will base off of lack of knowledge shown.

See, now you're playing semantics. "Used to make" is not the same as "they make".

[Notsoballinxhobo]

K1/3 and bioballs are basically the same if used in a canister. Yes it was made to run in a fluidized bed so the old dead Bactria will fall off the surface of the k1/3 to make room for new bacteria to grow in its place. Running it in a canister or as a replacement for bio balls doesn't mean it doesn't work or defeats the purpose. It still works.

I never said that it won't work as bio-media but so will rocks, sponges, lavarock, straws, pvc, your dirty draws, etc.
My point was that using it in a stagnant or a non-fluidized state would defeat it's main purpose or selling point which also would be an expensive route to take when considering that it will not be used to it's full potential.

If media for a canister filter was topic of discussion then in that case I would like to submit my opinion if that is ok with the leet here, Matrix/pond matrix or sintered glass rings would be a much better option than kaldness or bioballs. There is more surface area in comparison which would allow for more hosting within a smaller amount of area. So in that sense, more bang for your buck as well as limited space constraints.

[SunnyHouTX]

[cu0ngsayz]

Are we comparing bang for the buck? I'm confused

[SunnyHouTX]

I never said that it won't work as bio-media but so will rocks, sponges, lavarock, straws, pvc, your dirty draws, etc.
My point was that using it in a stagnant or a non-fluidized state would defeat it's main purpose or selling point which also would be an expensive route to take when considering that it will not be used to it's full potential.

If media for a canister filter was topic of discussion then in that case I would like to submit my opinion if that is ok with the leet here, Matrix/pond matrix or sintered glass rings would be a much better option than kaldness or bioballs. There is more surface area in comparison which would allow for more hosting within a smaller amount of area. So in that sense, more bang for your buck as well as limited space constraints.

You're still assuming that everybody buys things full price. So what you consider to be a waste of money may not be. But please, go ahead and decide what's good for us all while you're at it

[Notsoballinxhobo]

So let's get this straight: it's ok for you to question our experience to qualify our answers but it's a no-no the other way around? LOL, GTFO dude.



See, now you're playing semantics. "Used to make" is not the same as "they make".

Hmm.. responded with anger and derailing from the topic? Stalemate tuned checkmate?
as for your second bit, regardless of when, it was still "Made" and "exist" which you and cuong failed to know and pointed out that my level experienced should be questioned since there was no such thing.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

Are we comparing bang for the buck? I'm confused

guess so now, we weren't even speaking about canisters but you mentioned it somehow and tossed it into the mix.

[SunnyHouTX]

While you seem to be hell bent on using things within the confines of original intent of the designer/manufacturer, some of us look to tweak things around a bit and that should go on unhindered, especially if you're not the one spending the money doing it. But thanks for looking out hobo

[Notsoballinxhobo]

You're still assuming that everybody buys things full price. So what you consider to be a waste of money may not be. But please, go ahead and decide what's good for us all while you're at it

Who pays full price? I'm asian, we never pay full price or tax.
Are you assuming that the op was not going to pay full price?

I based my input on the fact assumption that we are comparing the majority and not on off situations.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

While you seem to be hell bent on using things within the confines of original intent of the designer/manufacturer, some of us look to tweak things around a bit and that should go on unhindered, especially if you're not the one spending the money doing it. But thanks for looking out hobo

of course Im not bent on that but when comparing the specifics I would think you would compare it based on the actual specs and not just what ifs.

I'm sure there are plenty tweakings to be done which I am sure you were introduced into that as well but at the same time worried based on your own fear but again... I felt we were discussing the what is and not the what could be's.

again, I felt this was an open forum and discussion which the op asked for opinions of the media in consideration. I supplied it based on the key points of the media which would assume based on retail price as well and gave my 20pesos worth.

If this has become your thread and only your opinion rules then I will gladly accept.

[cu0ngsayz]

guess so now, we weren't even speaking about canisters but you mentioned it somehow and tossed it into the mix.

I threw in canister also because most people run bio balls in canister and canister have bio media.

[SunnyHouTX]

Hmm.. responded with anger and derailing from the topic? Stalemate tuned checkmate?
as for your second bit, regardless of when, it was still "Made" and "exist" which you and cuong failed to know and pointed out that my level experienced should be questioned since there was no such thing.

Something that is no longer readily available is irrelevant.

You're as guilty of derailing as much as everybody in the conversation now hobo.

No stalemate is not "tuned" to checkmate yet, because you still have failed to point out exactly what's so bad about running two wet/drys on one tank besides stating opinions and saying the sky's falling rather than explaining to us how exactly what you warn of happening will happen. Hell you failed to explain the nature of failure to begin with.

[SunnyHouTX]

Who pays full price? I'm asian, we never pay full price or tax.
Are you assuming that the op was not going to pay full price?

I based my input on the fact assumption that we are comparing the majority and not on off situations.

No, you did, when you said that it was going to be a waste of money.

Since the majority of us don't run two W/D filters, or run K1/K3 in them, you failed to notice that this is in fact a one-of and tailor your replies accordingly.