troph sits at bottom

[schance]

ok well i have some trophs and 1 is just kinda laying on the bottom in the corner.

i feed a combo of NLS and ocean nutrion formula 2 and spirulina.
i did a 90% water change the other day and i think the temp of the water going in was differnt from the aquarium water. i think the new water was hotter.

i have a pack of clout but am wondering if its not a swim bladder thing. today when i fed he did not eat and there is another who looks like hes on the path to that.

my water params are about 80 degress in hard water from a chcihlid complete subsrate everything else is prob really good because i try to kee it as clean as possible but i will check soon.

please help

[eklikewhoa]

You need to be more specific for "probably really good".




Tank dimensions:
Total # of fish in the tank:
Species affected:
How many affected:
Symptoms:
Tank mates:
What are they fed:
How much are they fed and how often:
W/C frequency & amount:
Buffers:
Salts:
Aged or tap water:
Filtration:
Filter maintenance & frequency:
Date filter maintenance last performed:
Tank temp:
Ambient room temp:
How much evaporation weekly:
Method of topping up after evaporation:
PH:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
Ammonia:
KH:
GH:
Has anything recently changed:
Are fish breathing hard:
Are affected fish swimming with group:
Are affected fish near surface or at bottom of tank:
What meds do you have on hand:
Have you started treating in any way:

[schance]

90 gallon
17 ilangi
3 affected
laying upright on the bottom on subsrate not moving or eating
no tank mates
fed nls, flake and flake spirulina
fed nls in the morning6-7 and spirulina and flake around 4-5
water chagne 2wice a week
buffers are the cichlid comlpete sustrate and holey rocks
salts are jus API freswater salt and epsom salt
tap water treated with prime
tank temp is 80
ambient temp is 72-75 depeds on parents
it used to evap alot but i just put some acrylic glass ontop of tank and stoped it alot and i have an auto top off
i dont have the specifics on water params
but
PHrob high due to rocks and salts
nothing realy changed recently but i did do some new plumbing, just switeched out some tubes and pipes but didnt glue those areas
fish arent breathing hard
fish do not swim with the group
bottom of tank
i have clout on hand
have no strarted treating

[schance]

oya i also have quick cure

[semper]

scary guy

listen to Ek and give him all the info he asks for and just maybe he can save your fish

might be nothing, but sure sounds like something at this point

hope everything turns out for the better

[schance]

thanks i am really freaking out cuz i have a track meet and have to go then i have work. any med i should pick up on the way home or should i dose with clout now?

[schance]

ok kh is about 170 PPM

[schance]

0 ppm on nitrite

[schance]

if anyone ahs any info call/text me sometime today before for 713 857 7000

[eklikewhoa]

I would not treat with anything yet.

You mentioned that you did a water change with warm water... now is this because you used hot water from your home's water heater? If so it could be due to metals and bacteria that sit in the water heater.

For right now if you have the time do a 50% water change with straight cold water... if you are worried about the coldness you could let the faucet run for a bit to purge whats in the lines.

Add prime as soon as the drain is done and before adding tap water.

Add 1tbsp of epsom per 5g to not exceed the volume content already added.

If available I would add either a venturi to your powerheads to draw air so that it helps with surface agitation or add a few airstones and point your outputs upwards to create an aggressive ripple through the water surface.

Hold off on the feeding for today.

If possible test your pH cause holey rock and substrate do very little for pH if it's low, it's main purpose is to keep the pH from fluctuating.

[eklikewhoa]

How much are you feeding at those two feedings?
IIRC, you have fry which would mean they eat less per feeding but more frequently.

Also if you have not test your tap water I would refrain from the 90% water change next time and if you are having temp issues it would be another reason to back off.

[schance]

well just got back from track meet and talking with fshfreek and got home 5 dead and i just dosed with clout beore reading here with post more later

[schance]

i feed very little and another isnt looking good i will post more when i get back from work thanks again all

[cichlid1409]

as Ek said "holey rock and substrate do very little for pH if it's low, it's main purpose is to keep the pH from fluctuating." you need to test your ph "probably high" doesnt cut it. sounds like a ph crash to me.

[supadave]

Schance -

I am by no way an expert but I would go out get a High PH test kit. I don't know if Extreme has them, but i know for a fact that Dan over at HAW sells the High PH kit for around $7.00. Also, are your fish fry, juvies, or adults? You stated plumbing so I assume you have a wet/dry. Are you using anything else for surface agitation?