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    I'm losing every one of my cichlids. Every single one of them. If any makes it, I'll be surprised. And I only have my own self to blame. I'm pretty certain I introduced a disease of some kind into my main tank by not quarantining new fish. I know better than to do it, but I did it anyway, and now my entire tank of fish are dying, and I can't stop it.

    It started after I introduced 3 large male peacocks I bought at a LFS. A day or two later, I woke up to a dead fish. I thought it was possibly due to aggression with new fish in the tank. I rearranged the tank's decor.

    Two days later, I found another dead fish when the lights came on. Since it was happening at night, I couldn't figure out what it could be so chalked it up to aggression again.

    But when two more fish died the next day, I then knew it couldn't be aggression. So I did the normal first steps. Check water quality. It was fine, but I did a thorough cleaning anyway (while still preserving the good bacteria). The other concern was oxygen since I was seriously overcrowding my tank.

    Oxygen levels were ruled out when I had lowered the water to ensure constant spraying on the water surface (in addition to my surface skimmer and air wand), and yet, more fish continued to die, one by one.

    I checked the fish and there was absolutely nothing visibly wrong with them. No spots. No fuzz. No redness. No bloating or puffing up. Nothing. In fact, many of them appeared to have died only a short while before the lights came on because they still had nice coloring. Some had their mouths open, but not all. Gills were in their normal position. No redness. Still no spots, fuzz, no fin damage, nothing.

    At this point, I did begin seeing one symptom. Stringy poop. That's generally an indication of internal parasites. I've been feeding NLS Thera-A, but sparingly as their appetites are beginning to decline, and I don't want to overstuff their digestive system or foul the water.

    And still, the fish keep dying. I've added Melafix and Pimafix to the tank, as well, just in case there is a bacterial or fungal infection going around. Since I can't see any physical signs other than the stringy poop, I decided it would be best to cover all the bases.

    But damn it, they keep on dying.

    I'm beginning to see more symptoms. About 24 hours before a fish dies, it will become inactive and start gasping. Not at the top of the tank. More like how a fish is when it's asleep, but it is gasping. Not a heavy gasp. Kind of like when a female is holding and rearranging her eggs/fry. It's a gentle gasp. Then it's like the fish just goes to sleep and dies. In fact, the last fish ended up not being completely dead when I removed him and prepared him for disposal. I wanted to get a good look at him so I got my magnifying glasses on to really inspect him closely. There was no movement from him whatsoever... until I touched his belly. Then he quivered. It surprised me so I did it again and got the same response. At that point, I realized he was still alive and decided to end his suffering as fast as I could.

    Now I just experienced a new symptom. My #1 favorite fish just died. All of a sudden, he went beserk, jumped straight up to the surface to the point I was afraid he might have jumped out, then crashed straight back down, and is lying completely lifeless, upside down. He started the inactive/slow gasping about 24 hours ago so it's not a surprise that he died, but none of the other fish had done a "death lurch" of that kind before.

    And there's been a little bit of flashing, but like all the other symptoms, it's been mild. I'll see one fish do it a couple of times and then that's it. Maybe another will do it on the same day. But it's not aggressive flashing, not constant, and not many of them are doing it. However, it does indicate there's something irritating some of the fish.

    At this point, I'm at a total loss. I could rush out to get a bunch of stronger meds, but I don't even know what I'm fighting. It's pretty clear it's a disease of some type, but there are no physical signs of the disease (such as spots, etc). The dead fish are as pristine as ever. So it's internal. There's some stringy poop, listlessness, slow gasping, a little flashing, one death throw, and that's it. What's odd also is that they're not dying all at once. They're dying one by one (sometimes two). Sometimes a large fish will die, sometimes a small one. Sometimes a new fish (to the tank) will die, sometimes an older fish. There is no pattern.

    What is certain is that whatever is killing them appears to wiping out every fish in my entire tank. And I hope like hell whatever it is doesn't spread to my other tanks.

    If anyone has any ideas of what I might be dealing with, please let me know. I have never had anything like this happen before that I couldn't turn around. Nothing I'm doing is helping. They just keep dying.
    Vicki

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  • #2
    I don't know what the disease is but.......you may want to try Clout to cure it . It has been my number one medication for a while now .

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    • #3
      I agree with supadave on this one.
      700g Mini-Monster tank

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      • #4
        Clout with additional oxygen is what sounds what I would try? Fish loss that quick sounds like lack of O2 to me???? Try putting some powerheads up near water level and agitate the water surface as much as possible.. Spray bar and air wand does not really add too much O2 compared to surface agitation. Good luck!









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        • #5
          I don't know enough to offer advice, just my sincere sympathy. I would be SO sad if this happened in one of my tanks. I think you just tipped the scales for me in favor of getting a quarantine tank.
          5 freshwater community tanks, ranging from 55 to 20 gallons


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          • #6
            do a 70% water change and clean your filters...remove any pads you have and replace with fresh pads. If you have sponges in your filters clean those. Remove any carbon from your filters. Give a full dose of Clout. 50% water change after 24hrs. Then give a half dose of Clout. Big water change after 24hrs. Should be fine from that point on.

            Clout is a strong medicine and can kill a fish that has the "funk" really bad...the point is to save the ones that are still healthy.
            250gallon-Wild Angels, community

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            • #7
              Vicki -
              PM me once you get eveything under control, I've got some fish that I can give you.
              Scarecrow : I haven't got a brain... only straw.
              Dorothy : How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
              Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?
              Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.

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              • #8
                Hi guys, wanted to update you all on what happened. This was the worst tank devastation I have ever experienced. I lost ever one of my fish except the plecos and catfish. I could not use clout because it can't be used with scaleless fish, and I could not get the catfish out of the tank. As it was, they were hard to catch once the tank was completely cleared out.

                There were times I thought the disease was about to let up, then I'd lose another fish. Then another and then another. It was horrible. I'll be honest, when I was down to the last 4-5 fish, I just gave up. Every morning was spent looking for which fish had died during the night.

                Once all the fish were dead, I waited to see what would happen to the catfish. For some reason, they survived. Every one of them. So I moved them into a 10g hospital tank where I could keep a close eye on them. I lost one catfish during the move so that leaves 6 synodontis petricolas and 3 BN plecos in the little 10g. I change the water every day. I had them fast for about a week before feeding them again, and now that they're eating, I can see that they still have stringy poop. So whatever parasite infected the fish has infected the catfish and plecos, too. It just appears to not kill them like it did the fish. I'm going to continue to treat them until their poop looks normal again. The 10g hospital tank is very bare except for a large piece of wood for the plecos to eat and for all the catfish to use for security. It's bare bottom which allows me to clean it well. I have a separate python for that tank to help prevent spreading the parasites to my other tanks.

                I have cleaned and sterilized my 90g tank. I will NOT keep cichlids again. I am not equipped for cichlids. (1) I need a larger tank than just 90g. (2) I need appropriate QT tanks to properly avoid this kind of disaster from ever happening again. The problem with cichlids is that you can't just add one new fish or it gets bullied to death so you have to add at least 3 at a time. To do it right, I would need to be able to QT all 3 fish before adding them to the main tank. If I got 5 fish, I'd need to QT 5 fish. No problem if we're talking about tetras, but with 5" cichlids, you can't throw them into a single 10g tank for 2 weeks. Because of this, I put the new fish directly into the main tank. I got away with it for a long time until I put the wrong fish in, and that ended up wiping out my entire tank.

                Plus, I am not physically strong enough to maintain a cichlid tank. I can't move the heavy rocks around to get to the fish like I need which meant I couldn't get the catfish out in order to dose the tank with clout. If I cannot handle the tank by myself, then I should not attempt to have the tank.

                So I'm converting the tank over to something I know I can handle: another planted tank. I can physically move plants around and the fish are small enough for me to QT properly.

                I'm not sure what I'll do with the plecos and catfish yet. I don't want to pass this parasite on to anyone else so I won't let them go until I feel reasonably assured that the fish are disease free. At least I can maintain them where they are now. A 10g for all those fish isn't ideal, but it's no different than a LFS, and daily water changes are extremely fast and easy with such a small tank.

                So that's the end of the story. I lost a good $1,000 in fish, not to mention the sickening feeling of watching fish after fish die. I have never had anything like this happen before, and I hope to never experience anything like this again. I've seen it happen to other people, and I've felt their pain. This time, I really felt the pain.
                Vicki

                • 90g Planted - Journal - New Pics Mar23
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                • #9
                  Very sorry to hear...

                  I too sat and watched a few hundred bucks in shrimp die but due to my own failure which really sucked.
                  700g Mini-Monster tank

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, I think it sucks so much more when you know it's your own damn fault. It still makes me sick to my stomach.
                    Vicki

                    • 90g Planted - Journal - New Pics Mar23
                    • 75g Planted - Journal (on PT)
                    • 29g Planted - Journal
                    • 29g Planted
                    • 5g Planted RCS

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                    • #11
                      Live, Learn and then Move forward.
                      700g Mini-Monster tank

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                      • #12
                        Sorry to hear this happen. Sounded like bloat? If you change your mind to go with cichlids again I have more than a few you can have. I'm in Rosenberg which isn't too far from you.

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                        • #13
                          Vicki I'm so sorry... I watched this happen to my comps, and while it wasn't that costly, it was horrible to watch. We all have horror stories like this that we will never forget, but we all move on and so will you. If there's anything at all that I can do, please let me know! Once you start running your 90g again, I'll be happy to contribute whatever healthy plants I have and assassins if you want and shrimp. My fish are probably too tiny for that big tank though. :)
                          All bleeding stops eventually...

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                          • #14
                            I don't think it was bloat because none of the fish ever showed any physical signs of being bloated. That was the worst part of it all. There were never any physical signs to indicate what was going on except for the stringy poop and occasional flashing. I even did an "autopsy" on one of the fish, and everything inside was perfect (best I could tell). Nothing was discolored or swollen, no bumps, no bugs or worms, nothing. It was the most insidious thing I've ever encountered.

                            Thank you all for being so kind to offer so much to help me get started up again. I think I'll be okay. I've allowed my 75g to grow wild so I can harvest the plants from it to jump start the 90g. I already have most of the equipment I need since I was running one of my 29g as a "high tech" planted tank so I'm moving the equipment over. I've already done the hardest part which is to clean out and sterilize the 90g. So now I just need to build it out as a planted tank. Once my substrate arrives, I should be able to move plants over. Then I'll move one of my canisters from my 75g on the 90g to jump start the cycling.

                            As far as fish goes, fortunately community fish aren't as expensive as cichlids so that will help. I want to test some fish to be sure there are no residual problems with the parasites before I start stocking the tank. If that goes okay, then I have a lot of pelvicachromis I can move over. Plus, I have a lot of small tanks that I can use to QT dither fish, such as cardinal tetras. So I should be in pretty good shape. It just took me awhile to get over what happened and regroup.
                            Vicki

                            • 90g Planted - Journal - New Pics Mar23
                            • 75g Planted - Journal (on PT)
                            • 29g Planted - Journal
                            • 29g Planted
                            • 5g Planted RCS

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                            • #15
                              I'm sorry to hear. I've recently lost a good size of my fire red shrimps due to my own fault. It made me sick to me stomach when i turned the light on too. Hope you get those cats situated soon.

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