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  • #1

    Sunken Eye's...

    Looking for a proper diagnosis of this condition...

    It seems to be spreading and I have not found even an ounce of hopeful information on it on the net.

    I have read anything from Internal Fungal Infection to parasites to internal bacterial infection with a Whole Slew of Ridiculous comments from those "know it all types"....

    Anyone with a shred of experience with this is Greatly desired for info. I've ran into this a few times before last year with absolutely No Cure. If they end up developing this condition they are dead within 24-36 hours...

    All parameters and QT tank environment are literally perfect!

    Thanks.
    Last edited by Mastiffman; 03-29-2014, 06:47 PM.
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    Tags: eild caught, eye's, sunken, tanganyika, tangs
  • #2
    What kind of fish are they? Are there any other symptoms, or is it only sunken eyes?
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    • #3
      Gobies originally but then spread to Tropheus and now I've lost 2 Julidochromis. All in the same tank.
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      • #4
        Sunken eyes is bad news from what I've experienced. None of the fish I got from Africa with the condition survived any treatment. Thankfully, I didn't have any other fish in the QT with them at the same time.
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        • #5
          This is really what it seems. They start getting sunken eye's and they are pretty much dead fish swimming.

          I would although like a way to stop it from spreading to the others. But it's almost alone the lines of having to take one to a vet to get necropsy performed.
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          • #6
            I wish I had something solid to offer, but I don't. I have a few books on fish illness that I will look through today and will post tonight if I find anything.
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            • #7
              I can offer to try my hand at back seat diagnostician. I would need species affected (any info on tank raised/WC ect.), all water parameters (temp, ph, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, any other testing you might have done and eliminated as a culprit), known copper/heavy metal treatments? Previously done in the tank? Substrate, hardscape, filtration, anything out of the norm in the tank or about the tank. Normal tap water? Well water? any in house softeners? I have some suspicions, but would really need more info to compose a better hypothesis and possible restorative treatment.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by imagirlgeek View Post
                I wish I had something solid to offer, but I don't. I have a few books on fish illness that I will look through today and will post tonight if I find anything.
                Thank you for your time either way. I will look forward to your response.

                Originally posted by mnemenoi View Post
                I can offer to try my hand at back seat diagnostician. I would need species affected (any info on tank raised/WC ect.), all water parameters (temp, ph, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, any other testing you might have done and eliminated as a culprit), known copper/heavy metal treatments? Previously done in the tank? Substrate, hardscape, filtration, anything out of the norm in the tank or about the tank. Normal tap water? Well water? any in house softeners? I have some suspicions, but would really need more info to compose a better hypothesis and possible restorative treatment.
                To sum it up, I have Honestly done nothing out of the ordinary as any of my other tanks as for outside environmental factors that would affect the situation to cause this. Water and all conditions are in the most Optimal Level of conditions.

                I'm on City water and use the appropriate amount of water treatments that I have used for years now in this house.

                Also read post #3 for species being affected at this point.
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                • #9
                  Hmm, I have kept and had experience with the above mentioned species. What are your hard water parameter numbers? I think it has to do with water parameters, but seeing your numbers would help in determining it. Do you have an API master test kit?
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                  • #10
                    0, 0,>10ppm
                    Ph- 8.0
                    Kh- 8-9
                    Gh- 16

                    I use CaribSea Aragonite. Just like the rest of my tanks. It doesn't make sense to me that it's water parameters, being that they are the same as the rest of my tanks that hold WC Tropheus, Gobies, Comps and Petros...

                    It's am illness of some sort.

                    Have you ever dealt with these symptoms?
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                    WC Petro. Trews,Petro. Moshi
                    WC Eretmodus "Mpulungu, Kasanga"-F1 "Bulu Point"
                    WC N. Tretacephalus
                    WC L. Ocellatus "Isanga", L. Multifaciatus "Mbita"- L. Brevis "Kavala"

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                    • #11
                      My off the cuff guess would be internal parasites (possibly a nematode or even a microbial culprit), as the water parameters look great (was interested in how it fared compared to ours as your a bit far afield and wanted to ensure their was no odd parameter we might be dealing with). Have you tried dosing a prazi (paraguard or some similar medication) in the tank? That would rule out the more common types of IP's. If that showed no affect, I would go big and dose copper. Its effective at a lot, but can also affect the livestock. Garlic is a surprisingly effective treatment and most fish devour it. I wouldn't bet the bank on it being effective, but I imagine it won't hurt. I know Sunny was having a dropsy related issue awhile back from some WC petros if I remember correctly. It affecting cross species in the tank suggests an infection or living culprit. I think treating is your best course of action and hopefully eliminating it shortly. I might suggest soaking food in garlic guard and vita-chem to offer more sustenance on what they are able to eat.
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                      • #12
                        Okay, thank you for the advice. This site is much more positive that ECC and Laketang. Good Grief. They went on attack mode instead of helping to brain storm a possible solution. They just said they are done.

                        Thanks.
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                        • #13
                          Are you positive that the sunken eye symptom came up on the fish you added to the tank?
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                          • #14
                            No sweat! LOL, we are all generally good natured folks here. I just saw the location and figured I should verify what tap water/parameters are before assuming it was like Houston Texas. Our water is liquid rock here. I have never been on either board, I imagine Sunny and a few die hard tang fans here are. We keep a dedicated tang tank with multis, gobies, petricolas, and used to be a colony of Mpimbwe cyps. Lost all the cyps and a breeding pair of gobies, but should be getting a bigger tank soon and we will start over again. Definitely a big cyp/featherfin fan although oddball tangs always call my name.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SunnyHouTX View Post
                              Are you positive that the sunken eye symptom came up on the fish you added to the tank?
                              Definitely, They all went into the tank at the same time. All of my other tanks have been stable for a long time. Even this tank was a new setup... Established but newer.



                              Originally posted by mnemenoi View Post
                              No sweat! LOL, we are all generally good natured folks here. I just saw the location and figured I should verify what tap water/parameters are before assuming it was like Houston Texas. Our water is liquid rock here. I have never been on either board, I imagine Sunny and a few die hard tang fans here are. We keep a dedicated tang tank with multis, gobies, petricolas, and used to be a colony of Mpimbwe cyps. Lost all the cyps and a breeding pair of gobies, but should be getting a bigger tank soon and we will start over again. Definitely a big cyp/featherfin fan although oddball tangs always call my name.
                              I have seen this over the years. Good people and good knowledge base. I have found the most help from this site and Trophs regarding this situation.

                              It's just WAY out of control over there...
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                              WC Petro. Trews,Petro. Moshi
                              WC Eretmodus "Mpulungu, Kasanga"-F1 "Bulu Point"
                              WC N. Tretacephalus
                              WC L. Ocellatus "Isanga", L. Multifaciatus "Mbita"- L. Brevis "Kavala"

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