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  • #16
    Before you begin adding fish, you need to be sure the tank is cycled. If you aren't familiar with this, just ask.

    Once the tank is cycled, decide on what "type" of tank you want. From your earlier suggestions, it seems you're thinking of a "community tank" which means a grouping of different fish that can co-exist peacefully.

    From there, start taking notes on which fish you like. Get a list together. But do not buy anything yet.

    Once you have a list of the fish you like, then it's time to do your homework to see which of those fish can peacefully co-exist in your particular tank. Here are a few things to consider:

    1. Some fish want to be loners, while others need to be kept in shoals (schools). If you put a group of loner fish together, many times they'll fight and kill each other. A commonly known fish like this is a betta. Then there are fish that need to be in shoals. They only feel safe in a group, generally 5-7 minimum. When those fish are kept alone, they are frightened and will become aggressive (trying to protect itself) and stressed (ripe for disease). So you must find out which of the fish you like need to be alone and which need to be in groups.

    2. Consider their adult size. Torpedo barbs are a beautiful fish that prefer to be in groups, but they are fast moving fish that grow 4" long. They will grow too large for a small tank. Never cram in baby fish that will grow large, thinking you'll find new homes for them later. It's like putting a baby in a closet and thinking you'll get it a room once it's a teenager. Makes for very unhappy teenagers and fish. Be aware that many plecos will grow to 12" or larger in size so stay away from the common ones.

    3. Consider whether the fish sizes you get can work together. Larger fish eat smaller fish. Putting a bunch of Red Cherry Shrimp with a Betta is inviting the Betta to have shrimp for dinner.

    4. Consider what part of the tank the fish will usually stay in. Loading up with nothing but bottom dwellers can crowd the bottom of the tank while leaving the rest of the tank bare. Get a mix of bottom, middle and top dwelling fish.

    5. Make sure every fish you get is truly peaceful. Some are peaceful in general, but become aggressive if breeding. One of my favorites is Pelvicachromis (Kribs) which are great community fish unless they're guarding eggs or fry. Then, watch out!

    6. Most people add fish for clean up duties. Ottos are a great fish for algae. Amano shrimp are too. Stay away from things like Flying Foxes which do not eat much algae, but become large and aggressive when older.

    7. Watch for fin nippers. A shoal of Tiger Barbs may be beautiful, but only if you really like having all the tails of the other fish in the tank eaten.

    There are other considerations to keep in mind, such as our high pH and hard water, but most community fish should do well in our water so that's not too much of an issue.

    If you are just starting out, as I think you are, then post the fish you have decided to get and ask for feedback. If you get a fish known to be a problem, someone will surely let you know. Otherwise, you're good to go.

    As far as plants, unless you intend on getting into CO2, ferts, brighter lighting, I'd suggest sticking with a few basics. No plant will grow very well without proper substrate, ferts, lighting and some form of CO2, but some will survive better than others. I have found Crypt Wendtii to be one of the easier plants in low tech/non-plant-friendly environments. Then there's always the java ferns and anubias and the like (they are tied to rocks and driftwood instead of being planted in the substrate). You could then add a little ferts from the Seachem line. Mind you, they will not grow much and they may lose more leaves than they grow, but they won't die on you the first week either. Stay away from red plants as they tend to need brighter light.

    A word about snails... if you have live plants, you will have snails. No matter how hard you try, a batch of eggs will eventually find their way in by accident, and then the snails will appear. If you run into a big problem with them, you can get some loaches (stick with Dwarf Chain Loaches for a small tank). Otherwise, just enjoy the snails as part of the overall design. Ditto for algae. You'll get algae. Unless either are completely overrunning your entire tank, they're not so bad. A touch of algae and a few snails won't destroy your tank. Never EVER use commercial snail killing products in your tank. They cause more harm than good.

    That's a lot of info all at once, but, hopefully, some of it will be helpful.
    Vicki

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    • #17
      1. Tank is an established tank, been running for 7 months now, just used it to grow out a few guppies, an some of the 7 different species of BN plecos.

      2. Trying to keep the tank "snail free" I have some plants, but need more, it hard to find snail free plants in the hobby. I agree. So far I have three tanks that are snail free, an 16 that are not.

      3. I have a female CT betta, but she is in a 2 1/2 gal tank with some guppy culls for friends/food....she kinda picks who she likes. Which is fine, cause its better then flushing or freezing the culls, they are of some use.

      4. Algae control is taken care of by baby bn's.

      5. I am not new, but can say I have a alack of experience. I have had a tank since I was 6, an have been dabling in breeding for the last 11 years, nothing major. Don't think keeping guppies counts...they kinda do it on thier own regarless. I also breed or have bred Angels, other small cichlids, betta splendens, various livebearers, shrimp, different plecos, an some gold occies.

      6. My fish list for the 10gal so far is as follows: 2 Glass cats, 6 cherry barbs, 4 pygmy cories, 1 kuhli loach, algae control is by my bn's......what else I haven't decided yet...either tetras, or danio?







      Originally posted by Complexity View Post
      Before you begin adding fish, you need to be sure the tank is cycled. If you aren't familiar with this, just ask.

      Once the tank is cycled, decide on what "type" of tank you want. From your earlier suggestions, it seems you're thinking of a "community tank" which means a grouping of different fish that can co-exist peacefully.

      From there, start taking notes on which fish you like. Get a list together. But do not buy anything yet.

      Once you have a list of the fish you like, then it's time to do your homework to see which of those fish can peacefully co-exist in your particular tank. Here are a few things to consider:

      1. Some fish want to be loners, while others need to be kept in shoals (schools). If you put a group of loner fish together, many times they'll fight and kill each other. A commonly known fish like this is a betta. Then there are fish that need to be in shoals. They only feel safe in a group, generally 5-7 minimum. When those fish are kept alone, they are frightened and will become aggressive (trying to protect itself) and stressed (ripe for disease). So you must find out which of the fish you like need to be alone and which need to be in groups.

      2. Consider their adult size. Torpedo barbs are a beautiful fish that prefer to be in groups, but they are fast moving fish that grow 4" long. They will grow too large for a small tank. Never cram in baby fish that will grow large, thinking you'll find new homes for them later. It's like putting a baby in a closet and thinking you'll get it a room once it's a teenager. Makes for very unhappy teenagers and fish. Be aware that many plecos will grow to 12" or larger in size so stay away from the common ones.

      3. Consider whether the fish sizes you get can work together. Larger fish eat smaller fish. Putting a bunch of Red Cherry Shrimp with a Betta is inviting the Betta to have shrimp for dinner.

      4. Consider what part of the tank the fish will usually stay in. Loading up with nothing but bottom dwellers can crowd the bottom of the tank while leaving the rest of the tank bare. Get a mix of bottom, middle and top dwelling fish.

      5. Make sure every fish you get is truly peaceful. Some are peaceful in general, but become aggressive if breeding. One of my favorites is Pelvicachromis (Kribs) which are great community fish unless they're guarding eggs or fry. Then, watch out!

      6. Most people add fish for clean up duties. Ottos are a great fish for algae. Amano shrimp are too. Stay away from things like Flying Foxes which do not eat much algae, but become large and aggressive when older.

      7. Watch for fin nippers. A shoal of Tiger Barbs may be beautiful, but only if you really like having all the tails of the other fish in the tank eaten.

      There are other considerations to keep in mind, such as our high pH and hard water, but most community fish should do well in our water so that's not too much of an issue.

      If you are just starting out, as I think you are, then post the fish you have decided to get and ask for feedback. If you get a fish known to be a problem, someone will surely let you know. Otherwise, you're good to go.

      As far as plants, unless you intend on getting into CO2, ferts, brighter lighting, I'd suggest sticking with a few basics. No plant will grow very well without proper substrate, ferts, lighting and some form of CO2, but some will survive better than others. I have found Crypt Wendtii to be one of the easier plants in low tech/non-plant-friendly environments. Then there's always the java ferns and anubias and the like (they are tied to rocks and driftwood instead of being planted in the substrate). You could then add a little ferts from the Seachem line. Mind you, they will not grow much and they may lose more leaves than they grow, but they won't die on you the first week either. Stay away from red plants as they tend to need brighter light.

      A word about snails... if you have live plants, you will have snails. No matter how hard you try, a batch of eggs will eventually find their way in by accident, and then the snails will appear. If you run into a big problem with them, you can get some loaches (stick with Dwarf Chain Loaches for a small tank). Otherwise, just enjoy the snails as part of the overall design. Ditto for algae. You'll get algae. Unless either are completely overrunning your entire tank, they're not so bad. A touch of algae and a few snails won't destroy your tank. Never EVER use commercial snail killing products in your tank. They cause more harm than good.

      That's a lot of info all at once, but, hopefully, some of it will be helpful.
      BEWARE Guard GUPPIES On Duty!

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      • #18
        Thanks for the glass cat idea....My LFS doesn't carry any x-ray tetras...which would look GREAT! Any way, just thought to say Thanks for the great idea on the fishes. I think the tank would be too small for a knife though.


        Originally posted by Nickintex View Post
        Here's an idea:
        Glass fish (natural, not dyed or tattooed), glass catfish (Asian and/or African), glass knife and Xray tertas? It will look like a bunch of skeletal fish swimming around. Man, if could do another tank, that's what I'd do.
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        • #19
          You may want to get a few more glass cats. They can be pretty shy and skittish without a larger group of them, and just 2 of them may cause them a little stress.

          With the pygmy cories, 4 is good, but they look so CUTE in big groups! Just wanted to let you know. :) They're one of the few cories that school around in all levels of the tank.
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          • #20
            FYI, Asian glass cats have only two antennae-like barbels. The African glass cats have about four barbels that curve outward at the tips. The Asian species is more common.
            PLECOS SUCK!

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            • #21
              Asian:


              African:

              PLECOS SUCK!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by lilmissruffcountry View Post
                either tetras, or danio?
                I'd probably suggest tetras. I haven't had danios, but from what I've understood, they are pretty active. They may do better with a little more swimming room than what a 10g will offer.
                Vicki

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                • #23
                  So...going a new direction.....bn babies for aglae, 6 pygmy cories an 12 cherry shrimp for foreground an clean up crew, 3 glass cats for whatever..., 6 gold / black neon tetras( correct name?), an......? Any other suggestions for tank mates?
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                  • #24
                    More pygmy cories. They're cute as all get out and look great in large groups. They're also so small, they're hard to see in small groups. I've also had a high die-off rate; reminds me of ottos.

                    Be sure to offer lots of hiding places (java moss works) for the RCS so the babies don't become snacks. Also, be aware of their size and filtration. You'll need to keep the filter intake covered or they may get sucked in.

                    How many bn babies are you considering? Remember their eventual size and housing needs. I'd go for just one, but I don't have a lot of experience with them. I have a wood eater pleco (L204) that I got for looks mainly. I use other fish for clean up crews.

                    What other fish do you like? Are you wanting color? Certain behaviors? I'm not much for clear fish, such as glass cats, so what I like might not be the same as what you'd like. I'd add some German Rams (not sure how they'd do with RCS though). But I tend to like colorful fish.
                    Vicki

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