flowerhorns, parrots, and hybrids

[jisatsuguy]

u guys should know by know, these hybrids are my weapons of choice... maurader aint gonna like this lol

im a hybrid, chinese x phillipines, half black from the waist down lol

obvious choice for the typical asian gangstar tank lol

all my friends are into the africans, and thats cool with me. my personal preference is mean colorful fish... discus are cool too...

ive had red devils, trimacs, carpintis, and other pure species, but i find tht my hybrid guys are hardier/tougher

well, thanks for reading!

[FrontosaurusRex]

I miss my Flowerhorn sometimes...my only problem is that I had to keep him in a tank all by himself. I cant dedicate that amount of space to just one fish. Did you ever get the Flowerhorn Club up and running?

[SOULJAA]

Jisatsuguy...keep me in mind if you decide to move you Carpintas...

[marauder_77868]

You're not a hybrid unless one of your parents isn't human. I mean no offense by this. It's just that the term is often misused and misunderstood.

[FrontosaurusRex]

Hi Charles...we were all waiting for you to show up on this thread. LOL.

[FrontosaurusRex]

You're not a hybrid unless one of your parents isn't human. I mean no offense by this. It's just that the term is often misused and misunderstood.

So are you saying that Flowerhorns and Parrots aren't "hybrids"? They were made from other fish?
A fish and a fish made another fish...right?

[Mzungu]

So are you saying that Flowerhorns and Parrots aren't "hybrids"? They were made from other fish?
A fish and a fish made another fish...right?

Yeah, but not the same species of fish. :) All humans are the same species.

[FrontosaurusRex]

Yeah, but not the same species of fish. :) All humans are the same species.

i guess...i know that's probably right but in my head...a fish is a fish is a fish...you know?

Anyway, I didnt mean to junk up your thread with debate. Back on topic....I will probably get another FH one of these days but I wanna find a really nice blue one. I saw em around a few months ago but havent seen em since.

[marauder_77868]

So are you saying that Flowerhorns and Parrots aren't "hybrids"? They were made from other fish?
A fish and a fish made another fish...right?

So by this logic a mammal and another mammal make another mammal and it isn't a hybrid if they are two different species? Hpw about two different species of reptiles? I'm just attempting to correct the terminology and its usage here. To comment on the first post...yes, they are often hardier/tougher. That's why my guess is that TPWD will ban them in the next five years or so, because they will hear all the stories of them getting in the waterways in Asia and the sportfishing lobby will worry about them out competing our native game fish. Don't expect them to stop with just hybrids at that point. Eventually the irresposibility of these hybrid producers, due to the high cull rate, has the potential to kill the whole aquarium hobby. Food for thought.

[mark razmandi]

im a hybrid

[dblondfemme]

So I guess you could call a horse and donkey baby a hybrid... or a lion and tiger cross baby one lol... okay.. now... I have a little parrot. Those guys are so ugly they are cute. He holds his own though... no one messes with him. I'm an oddball person. I love unique fish. Especially fish that don't fit the general profile. One of the most awesome parts of this whole board..... is the fact we all have our specific likes and dislikes... and yet here we all are...

[amilcar]

I dont consider bps hybrids....if they have any mix of lineage its of midas and devil.....there is no severum in bps..bps can breed with other central americans but not severums the geographic/genetic barrier is too far off...personally I think crying about hybrid fish is pointless...first of all Im sure those of you who dont like hybrid fish have a dog or have had one before....well they are not that far from being the same thing...ex bulldogs have deformed faces and bodies and the list is endless....so its never going to end no matter what!!

[marauder_77868]

Ok...I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall...but here goes anyway. A dog is not a hybrid. The differences in dogs are created through selective breeding and mutation within the same species. It's like selectively breeding angelfish for colors or long fins. Though it can sometimes be quite drastic, it is still a naturally occurring trait or mutation that's simply been line bred. Blood parrots are most certainly hybrids. There was never a naturally occurring blood parrot mutation. There has never been a wild caught blood parrot. It is a mix of species, whether or not severum was included. We're not really creating a problem with blood parrots though in the big picture. They can't out compete anything. Flowerhorns are the real problem. The hybrid vigor and adaptability and high number of culls due to the minimal amount of quality fish produced with each spawn creates a potentially dangerous situation for those who make the laws. Couple that with the BS mythology created to artificially inflate the prices to levels where morality and good breeding practices and animal husbandry goes out the window, and you've got a real potential problem. But small steps are necessary perhaaps at first, and I'd just like everyone to be able to understand what constitutes a hybrid. It's not a matter of personal opinion. These definitions and examples that I'm using are scientific fact. Saying "that's just not the way I feel about it" doesn't make it any less of a fact.

[amilcar]

Ok...I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall...but here goes anyway. A dog is not a hybrid. The differences in dogs are created through selective breeding and mutation within the same species. It's like selectively breeding angelfish for colors or long fins. Though it can sometimes be quite drastic, it is still a naturally occurring trait or mutation that's simply been line bred. Blood parrots are most certainly hybrids. There was never a naturally occurring blood parrot mutation. There has never been a wild caught blood parrot. It is a mix of species, whether or not severum was included. We're not really creating a problem with blood parrots though in the big picture. They can't out compete anything. Flowerhorns are the real problem. The hybrid vigor and adaptability and high number of culls due to the minimal amount of quality fish produced with each spawn creates a potentially dangerous situation for those who make the laws. Couple that with the BS mythology created to artificially inflate the prices to levels where morality and good breeding practices and animal husbandry goes out the window, and you've got a real potential problem. But small steps are necessary perhaaps at first, and I'd just like everyone to be able to understand what constitutes a hybrid. It's not a matter of personal opinion. These definitions and examples that I'm using are scientific fact. Saying "that's just not the way I feel about it" doesn't make it any less of a fact.

good point....but the thing is that the FH crazee already died out...Ive seen people catch low class fhs or trimacs in florida and the perch,bass,etc are fine....now to outlaw something like a FH here is pointless because any FH that would be realesed here wouldnt make it..its just too cold specialy last winter...the dog thing was in a point of view of being detrimental to the animals health....the goverment likes making money out of taxes,bills,etc....believe me they wont outlaw tropical fish..

[Mzungu]

Ive seen people catch low class fhs or trimacs in florida and the perch,bass,etc are fine....

Wow, really? I didn't know it was that bad already. I knew oscars and pacus and such were being caught, but I wasn't aware FHs were. I'd love to see any articles about it if anyone's seen any recently. I could probably google them, but I'm lazy right now. )

How do you mean, the perch, bass, etc. are fine? I don't understand what you mean by that.