A guide to enders/guppies?

[Sea-agg09]

Just like the title says... Is there a good online resource for grading and variants of endlers? I got a few black bar endlers, and the first generation is starting to color out at this point. I'm looking to see what colors are more desirable, how long I should wait to kull out and such. Any ideas?

[troy tucker]

I have been wanting to do endlers. But I want to do a pure strain. What are pure strains of endlers?

[mnemenoi]

There is a large argument concerning exactly what an Endler is. Soma argue it is actually the wild stock that guppies were line bred from and a distinct species unto themselves. Others argue they are a hybrid and the same species as our hybrid guppy. You can see them listed as both according to where the person stands on that argument. They can breed with guppies, but as to being a distinct species its still undecided. They have been line bred to produce variants and color morphs just as guppies.

[Sea-agg09]

From my understanding, most are either the black-bar or tiger/bumblebee varieties. I've seen some snakeskin varieties, but they seem to be crossed with a snakeskin guppy (pretty common). There are also chili endlers, which are a black-bar bred to only have a spot or no black, and almost all red.

[Fancyfish]

if you've done a search of the web and not found a site for endlers that meets what your looking for then maybe you should try creating one. I like guppies but am not into endlers. I do remember reading some info about them, about the beginning of the tiger endler. I don't think I've seen anything that grades them. I don't think they are showing in a dedicated organization like guppies and Bettas so I doubt anyone has developed a show standard for them.

Of course I could be completely wrong about that. :)

So for breeding them, you get to decide for yourself what is desirable. I would exclude any deformities(bent spine, missing fins) and since endlers seem to be a smaller than guppy fish i would exclude large fish. Since you don’t know much about the fish's growth, the first generation would give you your base guidelines. I would take pictures of them weekly until they look like the parents. Then you can figure out the best time to cull for color and such. With guppies, some can grow slowly and culling to find the best show/breeding fish may not really happen til they are 5 or 7 months old. I'm raising yellow cobras and they are frustrating me because their tails take a long time to develop. Some develop shark tails which I don't want. So far they are over 2 months old and breeding and I still can't tell which ones I want to keep and breed.

[CrazyCatPeekin]

I have been wanting to do endlers. But I want to do a pure strain. What are pure strains of endlers?

If you want a pure strain, you are looking for Class N endlers. Class N can be reliably traced back to their native habitat.

Incidentally, Class K are endlers that have been crossed with guppies. Class P are endlers of unknown origin; they may be pure or not.

You can check Aquabid for Class N endlers.

AdrianHD (SwampRiverAquatics.com) is a well-known breeder of both pure strains and crosses who often offers both for sale.

I have been on the look out for Class N Lime Green endlers...although, I might be tempted to go with the orchid strain instead if I don't find limes that interest me.

Cheers!

[R_sustaita]

From all my breeding one of the babies colored up to its original form. Meaning a class n endler. Orange and black dots only. Its my favorite endler right now.

[eklikewhoa]

From all my breeding one of the babies colored up to its original form. Meaning a class n endler. Orange and black dots only. Its my favorite endler right now.

If I'm not mistaken, this means you do not have pure line.

[R_sustaita]

Imdont know. It was the only one out of my previous batch which were 25 babies and only 1 came out to be the original. After all its genetics.

[CrazyCatPeekin]

Imdont know. It was the only one out of my previous batch which were 25 babies and only 1 came out to be the original. After all its genetics.

For endlers, the class is determined by where the fish's line originated and whether it has been mixed with guppies. It does not matter what the color of the fish is.

If your endlers were crossed with guppies, then you may still occasionally get an offspring that looks like the original endler. This does not make it a class N, though. You can't have only one Class N out of a batch of babies.

For example, I know this guy that has Lime Green Endlers. He only breeds them with each other. He got them from a breeder who obtained his original stock from the river they inhabit in the wild and only bred them with each other. Either may have selectively bred to bring out a specific trait, but they never mixed the endlers with guppies. This makes these endlers Class N, regardless of how they look.

If you don't know where your fish originated or if they were mixed with others or if you are not sure, that makes them class P, endlers of unklnown origin...even if they look identical to a pure strain.

Class K are those that are definitely of mixed origin, like tiger endlers.

[troy tucker]

Class N endlers would be cool. I don't want to breed for sale. But it still would be cool to have Documentation. No one could say (that's not a pure strain ). You have prof that they are. As I look I have found lots of good info on endlers. Now I find it funny. All the people who have told me,( that's not a pure strain ). They had no idea what they really have. Had some one here tell me they had pure line and then tell me black bar was not pure. They didn't know. Black bar, peacock, red chest, double red stripe, snake chest, flame tail, and center peacock... N class...

[R_sustaita]

well mine would be Endlers K class as they are tiger Strain and breed with in each other. but still the original looking one rocks. mainly that neon orange color.

[troy tucker]

R you should post a picture. I know I would like to see what type it is. Maybe a picture of both and what they are?

[R_sustaita]

when i get home ill do that.

[Sea-agg09]

Here is one of my adults. The first generation is getting it's color now, so we'll see what they look like.