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  • #16
    Re: Getting A New Planted Tank

    Good choice with the Eco-Complete.  I use that in my 40 gallon breeder tank, which has the same footprint as your tank (36" x 18").  I used 80 pounds - 4 bags - and it's got about 2 inches to 3 inches of depth (I sloped it a bit from front to back).  This substrate comes packed in water, don't rinse it or anything, just put the entire contents of the bag into your tank.  This is a big advantage over fluorite, because that stuff needs to be rinsed extensively to get all the dust-like particles out so it doesn't cloud your tank water very much.  I didn't have much of a problem with initial cloudiness with my Eco-Complete.  I cannot comment on Aquasoil because I have not used that product before, but I know many people use it and experience success.  Fish Gallery has both in stock usually, so you can go compare their appearance and select which you feel is best for your needs.

    As far as lighting goes, I'd recommend a 2 tube power compact unit similar to this one.  You want to be around 2 watts per gallon on that tank to be able to grow the plants that you have on your list.  The Dwarf Hairgrass will grow better the more light you throw at it, and the other stuff on your list that is listed for more light will at least be able to grow, although you may not get ideal coloration or growth rates unless you add a bit more light.  If you feel competent with simple wiring, check out www.ahsupply.com for kits you can install into a canopy.  This route will allow pretty good customization to get the exact amount of light you need.  For low light, about 1.5WPG, medium I'd say around 2-2.5, and high I'd say would be 3.0 and up (high requiring CO2 and fertilization).

    Fertilizers are tricky because there are so many different types and methods of dosing them.  Many people with smaller tanks use Seachem Excel, Fluorish, and the rest of their stuff.  However, dosing these in a larger tank may be cost prohibitive to you.  Many people with tanks your size use what is known as the Estimative Index using dry ferts which you can order from various places online.  Still others use stuff that you can buy from PetCo/Smart like root tabs and other liquids in bottles.  The stuff from www.pfertz.com is pretty much the same stuff you can make from dry ferts, marketed with nice packaging and trouble-free appeal.  You'll pay for that though.  With whatever method you choose, it will be crucial to keep up with your regimen for ideal plant health.

    For CO2, I'd recommend going with a pressurized setup if you want to try it, DIY yeast reactors are far too unreliable for a tank your size.  A setup for this includes several items:
    - CO2 Tank - I'd say a 5 pound tank would be sufficient.  You can usually find these for about $50 in good used condition in the fish market here on HFB.
    - Regulator - This connects to the tank and controls the release of the CO2.  Several accessories can be included in a regulator.  A bubble counter will allow you to see exactly what your gas output rate is.  A needle valve will allow more precise control over your bubble rate.  A solenoid will allow you to connect your CO2 to a timer.
    - Diffuser/reactor - There are several ways of getting the CO2 dissolved in the water.  Many places sell glass diffusers that mount inside the tank with suction cups, and there are also many plans online to build a homemade PVC inline diffuser you can use with a canister filter.  Note that cheap glass diffusers off Ebay have a record of breaking kind of easily, but on the other end buying a super-expensive ADA one may be overkill for your first purchase.
    - Check valve - You'll want a brass one.  This prevents water from getting into your expensive setup and ruining it.

    You did not mention what type of filter you are planning on using.  If you plan on doing CO2, you'll want a canister like an Eheim, Fluval or Rena Filstar.  A HOB, or Power Filter, is a good option because they are cheaper and very efficient, but if you use CO2 with them they off-gas a lot of CO2 making it hard to keep it at ideal levels.

    Here are some sites you should check out:
    www.plantedtank.net - good forums focusing on planted tanks.  Subforums for pretty much every aspect of a tank/equipment.
    http://www.greenleafaquariums.com - I ordered some CO2 stuff from here, they have pretty good service.
    http://www.rexgrigg.com/diy-reactor.htm - How to build a PVC inline reactor.  Rex has a pretty elitist attitude but the reactor is solid.  The rest of his site has some good info too.

    Good luck, and please ask questions even if you think they are stupid!  I could have saved a LOT of money when I first started if I had just asked more questions!

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    • #17
      Re: Getting A New Planted Tank

      Originally posted by crudnugget";p="
      Good choice with the Eco-Complete.  I use that in my 40 gallon breeder tank, which has the same footprint as your tank (36" x 18").  I used 80 pounds - 4 bags - and it's got about 2 inches to 3 inches of depth (I sloped it a bit from front to back).  This substrate comes packed in water, don't rinse it or anything, just put the entire contents of the bag into your tank.  This is a big advantage over fluorite, because that stuff needs to be rinsed extensively to get all the dust-like particles out so it doesn't cloud your tank water very much.  I didn't have much of a problem with initial cloudiness with my Eco-Complete.  I cannot comment on Aquasoil because I have not used that product before, but I know many people use it and experience success.  Fish Gallery has both in stock usually, so you can go compare their appearance and select which you feel is best for your needs.

      As far as lighting goes, I'd recommend a 2 tube power compact unit similar to this one.  You want to be around 2 watts per gallon on that tank to be able to grow the plants that you have on your list.  The Dwarf Hairgrass will grow better the more light you throw at it, and the other stuff on your list that is listed for more light will at least be able to grow, although you may not get ideal coloration or growth rates unless you add a bit more light.  If you feel competent with simple wiring, check out www.ahsupply.com for kits you can install into a canopy.  This route will allow pretty good customization to get the exact amount of light you need.  For low light, about 1.5WPG, medium I'd say around 2-2.5, and high I'd say would be 3.0 and up (high requiring CO2 and fertilization).

      Fertilizers are tricky because there are so many different types and methods of dosing them.  Many people with smaller tanks use Seachem Excel, Fluorish, and the rest of their stuff.  However, dosing these in a larger tank may be cost prohibitive to you.  Many people with tanks your size use what is known as the Estimative Index using dry ferts which you can order from various places online.  Still others use stuff that you can buy from PetCo/Smart like root tabs and other liquids in bottles.  The stuff from www.pfertz.com is pretty much the same stuff you can make from dry ferts, marketed with nice packaging and trouble-free appeal.  You'll pay for that though.  With whatever method you choose, it will be crucial to keep up with your regimen for ideal plant health.

      For CO2, I'd recommend going with a pressurized setup if you want to try it, DIY yeast reactors are far too unreliable for a tank your size.  A setup for this includes several items:
      - CO2 Tank - I'd say a 5 pound tank would be sufficient.  You can usually find these for about $50 in good used condition in the fish market here on HFB.
      - Regulator - This connects to the tank and controls the release of the CO2.  Several accessories can be included in a regulator.  A bubble counter will allow you to see exactly what your gas output rate is.  A needle valve will allow more precise control over your bubble rate.  A solenoid will allow you to connect your CO2 to a timer.
      - Diffuser/reactor - There are several ways of getting the CO2 dissolved in the water.  Many places sell glass diffusers that mount inside the tank with suction cups, and there are also many plans online to build a homemade PVC inline diffuser you can use with a canister filter.  Note that cheap glass diffusers off Ebay have a record of breaking kind of easily, but on the other end buying a super-expensive ADA one may be overkill for your first purchase.
      - Check valve - You'll want a brass one.  This prevents water from getting into your expensive setup and ruining it.

      You did not mention what type of filter you are planning on using.  If you plan on doing CO2, you'll want a canister like an Eheim, Fluval or Rena Filstar.  A HOB, or Power Filter, is a good option because they are cheaper and very efficient, but if you use CO2 with them they off-gas a lot of CO2 making it hard to keep it at ideal levels.

      Here are some sites you should check out:
      www.plantedtank.net - good forums focusing on planted tanks.  Subforums for pretty much every aspect of a tank/equipment.
      http://www.greenleafaquariums.com - I ordered some CO2 stuff from here, they have pretty good service.
      http://www.rexgrigg.com/diy-reactor.htm - How to build a PVC inline reactor.  Rex has a pretty elitist attitude but the reactor is solid.  The rest of his site has some good info too.

      Good luck, and please ask questions even if you think they are stupid!  I could have saved a LOT of money when I first started if I had just asked more questions!
      8O Woah!   You really know your stuff! Thanks for the advice. I can't look at every link you gave me at the moment but I will in my free time. I looked at the link to the light and it says it comes with legs? Does that mean I can't put it on a glass top? The tank I intend to buy will come with one. Here is the link to the thread about my future tank: Newbie Getting A New Tank! Help Appreciated I only asked some questions over here because the guys who responded to me over there said they didn't know much about plants.     Anyways, you will see that I intend to get an Eheim 2217 canister filter. Also thanks for the information about CO2! I never knew what people were talking about when they used those terms. I don't plan on getting CO2 now, but if I ever do I'll ask you what to get.  :wink: So about the fertilizers. You don't seem to like the Seachem stuff, but that is probably more accessible to me, so if I were to use them how would I dose the tank? Is it much different than the dry dosing? I have another question about lighting: When you say that I need to have a certain amount of watts per gallon, do I also need to take into account the height of the tank and light penetration? Thank you in advance!  
      -Laura-

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      • #18
        Re: Getting A New Planted Tank

        The legs that come with the light are removable, you can set the light on a glass top without using the legs.  The Seachem ferts are good and are proven to work, but with larger tanks you have to add a lot more, and that can get somewhat expensive.  I use them on my 5.5 gallon tank, but I use dry ferts on my 40.  There is a dosing guide on Seachem's site that shows you exactly how much they recommend.  There are also instructions on the bottles themselves that tell you how much to add.

        The watts per gallon kind of accommodates for different height and depth of tanks.  For instance, your 68 and my 40 have the same sized base, 36x18.  I have 96 watts on my tank, giving it a bit over 2 wpg.  On your tank, you'd need 126 watts for 2wpg.  The only time the watts per gallon rule should be calculated differently is for small tanks under 10 gallons and very large tanks.

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        • #19
          Re: Getting A New Planted Tank

          Originally posted by crudnugget";p="
          The legs that come with the light are removable, you can set the light on a glass top without using the legs.  The Seachem ferts are good and are proven to work, but with larger tanks you have to add a lot more, and that can get somewhat expensive.  I use them on my 5.5 gallon tank, but I use dry ferts on my 40.  There is a dosing guide on Seachem's site that shows you exactly how much they recommend.  There are also instructions on the bottles themselves that tell you how much to add.

          The watts per gallon kind of accommodates for different height and depth of tanks.  For instance, your 68 and my 40 have the same sized base, 36x18.  I have 96 watts on my tank, giving it a bit over 2 wpg.  On your tank, you'd need 126 watts for 2wpg.  The only time the watts per gallon rule should be calculated differently is for small tanks under 10 gallons and very large tanks.
          I looked at the link to the light some more and it said it was 48" not the 36" I need. So I looked at some with the correct length and they had the wrong wattage. I found one that has one 96 watt bulb Current USA Satellite 36" and one that has two 96 watt bulbs Current USA Satellite Dual 36", so that is 96 watts of light at less than 2 watts per gallon or 192 watts at around 5 watts per gallon (if I did the math right). So I looked around some more and found one with the right wattage but it's more expensive even without the LEDs Coralife Freshwater Aqualight. Finding the right light is difficult. Is there a trick to this?
          -Laura-

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          • #20
            Re: Getting A New Planted Tank

            Okay so it looks like I won't be getting the tank anytime soon.

            Originally posted by FuzzyDragon09
            Well it looks like the new tank has been shot down. They said yes but changed their minds or at least they said I should really think about it. Sad  My parents already think I spend way too much time on the three I have now. I am studying and working part-time but will be studying full time at a 4 year college sometime in the next year and a half or so. They were going to give me 200 dollars for me to use toward the tank but now... They said that I should take the money and just wait until after I have gotten my bachelor's degree to buy it and set it up. Or I can just give them a wish list and they can get me regular stuff for Christmas. Or I can get it anyway. The problems: I would spend a ton of money buying the supplies and setting up to have to eventually break it down and sell off the fish because I don't think I would be able to take it with me. I would leave it in the care of my parents but they say that they will not touch it and will not be cleaning it (that or the other three small tanks I own).    :(  :wail: :wail: :sniff:
            And I had it all planned out (well mostly)!
            Originally posted by fishlady";p="
            i would wait.....why put you or the fishies thru that for that matter......
            just enjoy the ones you have now .....and when your thru with school you can put up an even bigger tank...and not have to break it down and sell it off.....hence you will be able to enjoy it more....and longer for that matter....

            of course that's just my 2cents........
            Originally posted by CichlidFan";p="
            If I may toss out another famous quote....Good things come to those who wait...

            CF
            Originally posted by FuzzyDragon09";p="
            Okay. I will wait. But I will be counting down the days. :wink: By then I should have my own place and have as many tanks as I want. Or can afford. I will probably be eating a lot of noodle cups like twofronts. Well thanks anyways guys for all of the help planning for it! Even though it has been put on hold.
            I am going to wait. It don't want the hassle of setting it up to just have to break it down again in the near future. Thanks for all the advice even though the tank has been put on hold! It was really helpful (or it was going to be)!   :bsty:
            -Laura-

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