Cross breeding of animals (of any kind)

[ometh]

This is a on going discussion I have with this kid on facebook (i know but, hell I got bored) I just wanted to see others veiws on this subject. Lets keep this clean guys haha I already feel something is brewing up.

My veiws is that it's completely unethical. Say like a cheetah and a tiger. Sure big cats but, both endangered, both from different genera so it's next to impossible to interbreed or splice them without altering their DNA or genes in a way that probably make a new animal of its own. Some might bring up the liger and not realize this was by no means on purpose of them breeding but, in fact by accident the first time.

[aggrocichlidfan]

Completely for it. You can have diff. Fish than everyone else...rather you believe in God or science you don't think these species has the same anncestors in any way? Like my red devil and jaguar mated imagine.that...I know that there's a higher chance for retardation but its still cool and different from.everyone elses

[ometh]

Going to be a lil hypocritical here haha it is indeed cool to see the morphs,colors,mutations of certain animals but, (back to realism) also theres the risk of bad mutations. Like you said with your jag and red coming out with a retarded red jag or whatever haha and I do believe they have the same ancestors but, why run the risk of bad mutations and an animals life for kicks and giggles? I can completely understand if it was done by accident and it was successful but, what if it happens again and it fails but only on purpose? Was it worth heart break? No.

Again this is a cooled and relaxed conversation lol

[aggrocichlidfan]

Going to be a lil hypocritical here haha it is indeed cool to see the morphs,colors,mutations of certain animals but, (back to realism) also theres the risk of bad mutations. Like you said with your jag and red coming out with a retarded red jag or whatever haha and I do believe they have the same ancestors but, why run the risk of bad mutations and an animals life for kicks and giggles? I can completely understand if it was done by accident and it was successful but, what if it happens again and it fails but only on purpose? Was it worth heart break? No.

Again this is a cooled and relaxed conversation lol

Haha nahh they were tank mates that got frisky personally its not for giggles...I mean a red jaguar would be cool shiott...I quotient mass sell them but its cool cause you know none to anyone has that same thing..all those differents lines of trophs come from the same origins, something just happened in between then...hence "parachromis" dovii and "parachromis" managuenese same origin just something changed..I believe natural interbred hybrid, lol I'm not Putin hormones in my Watter its natural, just in my home lol

[ometh]

Haha thats why I like to hear! I can totally understand the natural crossing and the when fish get a lil frisky with tank mates. Take my tang. goby and one of my bigger polli. I've heard stories of them crossing but in rare occasions and I by chance see one of my males doing the shaky shaky next to the polli (non aggressive shaky shaky) and thought it be kinda neat to see what comes out. only reason they're together because gobies and trophs make good tank mates

[barrettsline]

I will try to post what I can here with out going over board either way. I am all for cross breeding. I am not in favor of genetic mutation or dying. I currently am working on crossbreeding some of my fish that swim the same waters naturally in nature, and the offspring intrigue me. You wouldnt have the fish you have today if they didnt inter/cross breed. With out failure there is no sucess, as there is also no sucess with out failure. Every fish in every water is a hybrid. There is no such pure blood line. Every blood line can be traced back to a rough starting point. Even in selective breeding of the same fish, a natural genetic mutation will happen, due to past genetic differences of that fishes ancestors. However, gene splicing and genetic tampering is something I cant stand for. So for what $0.02 is worth, cross breed them, its naturally been happening for millions of years. However, leave it to nature, not the science lab. If the fish wont naturally breed/interbreed/crossbreed, dont force it....

[Delock]

Well my 3 cents. There is no such thing as a pure creature. From humans down to cockroaches everything have been crossbreed within it on species.

[barrettsline]

Well my 3 cents. There is no such thing as a pure creature. From humans down to cockroaches everything have been crossbreed within it on species.

+1

[ometh]

However, leave it to nature, not the science lab. If the fish wont naturally breed/interbreed/crossbreed, dont force it....

+1 I second this statement all the way and more or less what I was trying to get around to. I feel that you're completely right about natural crossing with fish and different animals.

[Totenkampf]

ligers were only bred for their skills in magic.

i dont believe in DNA manipulation at all, even though i was really tempted to when i read about Golden Rice. It has noting to do with morality or my views on religion, its just not safe to mess around with things that you dont completely understand nor can anticipate the future outcome of 100 generations from now.

if you put two things together and they crossbreed, even if not initially from the same habitat, its nature. dyeing things and lab creatures are total BS, IMHO.

[dblondfemme]

my $.02.
Animals in general do not do well without some introduction of new genes. Pure bred dogs have now become a disaster waiting to happen. Most problems are because of inbreeding, not cross breeding. The most friendly dogs I have ever encountered have been mixed breeds. A lot of "pure" bred dogs have genetic hip problems such as bad backs and hip dysplasia. A lot of the creatures we see have SOMETHING mixed in with them... The Liger didn't happen on purpose but genetically it was possibly... So is a Tigon. Female horses and male donkeys make mules (which have been around quite a while) and male Horses and female donkeys make hinnys...which you don't hear about as often. True, the resulting animals are 99% sterile which shows they are not meant to breed, but it doesn't mean there isn't that 1%. Jack Russel Terriers were a cross between a fox terrier and sometimes beagles and sometimes bull terriers in order to create more stability in the legs....go figure huh? With fish, new lines of same type must be introduced, but do you believe that in nature the fish never cross? Is there some invisible barrier? -nope

[Totenkampf]

Pure bred dogs have now become a disaster waiting to happen.

But is this because they are a pure strain or because they were inbred with genes that were too closely related to them? I think that it may be the later. If we had had the infrastructure back when these breeds were being selectively bred for desireable traits that we could have been able to ship different bloodlines around the globe like we can now do with fish and shrimp then I think that pure dogs would be much more healthy and viable.

do you believe that in nature the fish never cross? Is there some invisible barrier? -nope

Maybe its posssible that the ridiculous freshwater parrotfish might have happened in nature(?) but glofish and fruitloop frogs what not, to me that is tampering and as long as people buy the silly things this will only get worse. Tho, if I recall correctly, the glofish were developed as an experiment to study genetics but then offered for sale when the accountants thought that they could recoup the costs. grrr

[dblondfemme]

lol I agree about the glofish etc. Honestly I have them because someone on here got rid of them for a low low price and I wanted anything to play nice in my planted tank. I do believe there is far too much inbreeding in dogs.... too many people after money and not good qualities. Same thing with some cross bred fish

[Mzungu]

I'm against it. I wish humans could someday find a way to appreciate nature in its original form, and stop trying to manipulate everything into something they think will fare better, or even look better. Nature's been around much longer, and tends to know much more about this stuff than we do.

[Suelovesfish]

my $.02.
Animals in general do not do well without some introduction of new genes. Pure bred dogs have now become a disaster waiting to happen. Most problems are because of inbreeding, not cross breeding. The most friendly dogs I have ever encountered have been mixed breeds. A lot of "pure" bred dogs have genetic hip problems such as bad backs and hip dysplasia. A lot of the creatures we see have SOMETHING mixed in with them... The Liger didn't happen on purpose but genetically it was possibly... So is a Tigon. Female horses and male donkeys make mules (which have been around quite a while) and male Horses and female donkeys make hinnys...which you don't hear about as often. True, the resulting animals are 99% sterile which shows they are not meant to breed, but it doesn't mean there isn't that 1%. Jack Russel Terriers were a cross between a fox terrier and sometimes beagles and sometimes bull terriers in order to create more stability in the legs....go figure huh? With fish, new lines of same type must be introduced, but do you believe that in nature the fish never cross? Is there some invisible barrier? -nope

I just haapen to know a few things about pure bred dogs. The fact is their is too many unethical breeders who breed for noney or for reasons I don't understand?

I general, you are correct in that many pure bred dogs have some form of genetic issues. However, a responsible breeder can and do health and genetic testing prior to breeding to ensure they are not passing on the health issues you describe. For example,
there is there is the canine Orthopedic Foundation(OFA) which X-rays hips for dysplasia. If the hips show signs of dyplasia, dog is not bred by a responsible breeder. Same is true these days for many genetic disases. One can send in canine cheek cells to determine any genetic faults to help eliminate these health problems.

If you think about it, why would a responsible breeder intentionally want to pass on genetic problems? A responsible breeder is not in it primarily for money, they are in it to improve their breed to keep the breed healthy and to keep their pure breed dogs free of genetic diseases because the educated buyer of puppy's demand testing so they don't end up with genetic problems you speak of.

Unfortunately, you are correct that mixed dogs in general tend to be healthier, but only because of unethical breeders interested in $ only or accidental pregnancy's