Colin Powell

[eklikewhoa]

Re: Colin Powell

Man I just noticed that the Lounge has been taken off the "Recent Post" box up top.... see what you guys have done.

[marauder_77868]

Re: Colin Powell

Yeah...it bums me out to see that me destroying delock's socialist (and apparently Marxist as well) ideals won't be visible by as many people. Serously, though, I wish that arguments could be made (and lost) without resorting to name calling (though it is a good measuring stick to know that you're winning). I've tried to inject reason...my mistake!

[Delock]

Re: Colin Powell

reason? wow

still have not figure out what ASM stand for huh?

apparently you favor McCain with your negative post against me. But I'm not surprise based on your "County First" thoughts.

[Nickintex]

Re: Colin Powell

A sick man?
A sadomasochist?
:?

[marauder_77868]

Re: Colin Powell

Asked a few regulars...they don't know either. Frankly am not that concerned with it if you're not able to say it to my face. Yeah...it's pretty hard to figure out that I favor McCain...glad you finally got there. "Country First" thoughts...what a horrible criticism...what was I thinking?

Actually I want to apologize for mocking your spelling the way I did...although it did take a lot of effort to put that together...lol. I shouldn't do that. It's unfair for me to mock something that's likely out of your control.

[marauder_77868]

Re: Colin Powell

I think I'm going to go to bed. Goodnight, Mr. Rabbit.

[Delock]

Re: Colin Powell

night asm

[TheReefWhisperer]

Re: Colin Powell

ASM...

Another Smart Maverick!

Yepperz... that is you marauder_77868!!!

[Darbex]

Re: Colin Powell

First on the point of Saddam gaining power I am sure that our government had a role in him coming to power just like Osama. Has the US gotten in bed with shady people throughout the world yes and I would like to state this isnt a Republican thing this is both parties at fault. But the heads of the government felt that they were a necessary evil to protect our interest. Hence the reason that at the same time they were helping Saddam they were also helping the Shah of Iran because they feared that if one gain to much power it would disrupt the region so you allow them to hold each other at bay. Is it right or wrong I am not here to judge that. But I do know that the potential problems if they didnt would be gas problems a heck of a lot worse then what happened in the 70's then Reagan was trying to fix the utter economic failures of Carter the first time the US has ever seen stagflation.

[Darbex]

Re: Colin Powell

What does Bin Ladens family have to do with Osama? You dont detain a whole family because the actions of a son that was disowned years ago. That would be unjust profiling similar to what this country did to Japanese Americans as if one has to do with the other. The Bin Laden family which made its money through construction and the sorts were not involved in terrorism or at least there is no evidence to show that they were. And the family has public denounced what Osama has done well before 9/11. So D do you want to make it a law then when someone commits a crime you detain the family to verify the son? That would fly in the face of anyone especially Dems.

On the point about Kosovo. I hate the UN they are a bunch of crooks and cronies in suits they care about nothing other than making as much money as possible and destroying the US because they can not stand the fact that we have all the power. The US pays the lions share of the cost of the UN both monetarily and militarily and we get the least in return on our investment. I would love to end our membership in that corrupt organization. But has a person what the Serbs were doing to the Kosovars was despicable. However, I do not see how Kosovo was ok to fight but Iraq was not. It poses the same humanitarian issues, along with weapons worries, and the worry of the threatening of a vital resource to the country (oil). I also think that we need to seriously do something militarily in Darfur, but their in lies the problem. What do we do? In this new realm of terrorism that we see the leadership provides a ton of intel that has lead to the capture and freezing of assets of many terrorists around the world. So it creates a situation that if we take out the leadership then we loose all of that intel that can protect us at home. So what do you do? I would be in favor of attacking since they dont listen to the world and see the suffering they are causing. Similar to Saddam, does any of you realize that during the Clinton admin Saddam attacked the US?

[CichlidFan]

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Not sure what incident your referring to Darbex, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might have been a false flag op.

Agree with you on the UN.

And as far as the family of Bin Laden, well boy howdy, the bush family and the bin ladens are practically kissing cousins, they're so cozy together. Of course bush had them flown out of dodge.

But the bush family is used to being mixed up with riff raff...just look at granpa prescott bush.....files from US National Archives indicate that Prescott Bush was a director of a firm which was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

Treat or Treat

CF

[Darbex]

Re: Colin Powell

Are you not sure about what incident? Saddam's attack on the US. After the Gulf war the UN imposed a restricted zone for Saddam that the US military helped patrol and there were several instances that the Iraqi army fired upon our planes for whatever reason. Yet we never attacked when we were being provoked.

[Philbert]

Re: Colin Powell

Actually, several years before the Gulf War an Iraqi jet fired upon a US Naval vessel (the USS Stark), with 37 US fatalities, but the incident was played down as an accident.

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

The Iraqis fired upon and lit up many US and Coalition overflights of the No Fly Zone, most were written off as ineffectual defiant gestures; they did fire upon several flights, though. We did respond a few times, but I don't recall exactly the whole chronology.

[Delock]

Re: Colin Powell

"For some reason, the sea-skimming missiles were not detected by the Stark's sophisticated monitoring equipment."

"but Navy technicians in Bahrain said the Stark's Phalanx system had not been working properly when the frigate put out to sea. (Brindel was relieved of duty and later forced to retire.)"


Could this been prevented if the system was working correctly?

[Philbert]

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It may have been a similar problem the English had in Argentina, the Exocet is a French missle, and the system may not have recognized it as a threat. The system may have not been working properly, or someone may have set a "stand down"command when the threat was percieved as over when the jet turned away.
We will never know, at least not for many years.
2 missles hit the ship, and no fire was returned.
Personally, maybe irrationally, the Stark incident made me grit my teeth. I wanted blood for blood, and as far as I know, nothing was ever done about the attack.
I am a bloodthirsty reactionary pacifist...go figure. :evil: