Obama Sheeple YouTube

[marauder_77868]

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They would have to redraw some districts because there would be no voters left!

[Jolley]

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 :!:

So true.........

[Philbert]

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Those 40% should not have the right to vote in my opinion. And if you are on welfare, you should have to take random drug tests. They would have to take a drug test if they were hired by a company. I bet that 40% would drastically decrease.

Charles, he won't answer that question for some reason.  

The drug testing idea is a feel good silly thought...like killing all Muslims would solve the terrorist problem. It would, I guess, but throwing out the baby with the bath water never was a good path to follow.

John Doe is undereducated, not well, and has 3 kids and a wife who makes minimum wage; they get welfare (food stamps and housing), but William offers him a hit on his joint and he takes one.
Put the whole family out on the street and leave the kids without food, health care, and a place to sleep is your idea of a good solution to the welfare problem? After he fails a drug test?
Wow...cold heart.
A basic premise of our legal system is Law is for all, no specific laws targeting a specific person or group.
Renters who don't own property or a car, etc., shouldn't be allowed to vote? What are you on about? How far away from American are you? Are you a Tutsi?  8O

As for answering a personal question, roberte is under no obligation to give out anything personal to any of you, no matter how many of you appoint yourselves the site secret police. His personal info is no one's business; what is going on here? :evil:

[Jolley]

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Nope, I'm a Gulf War Veteran. So don't think for a moment I'm not American. We have the right to ask questions just as roberte has the right not to answer. So don't attack me or anyone personally. I spoke in general. I did not address you. There is always an exception to every rule. There are many, many senarios we could type here. But I don't like to type that much.

[marauder_77868]

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but William offers him a hit on his joint and he takes one

No he doesn't if his priorities are where they should be.  

A basic premise of our legal system is Law

We're not talking about equal application of the law....we're not talking about prosecution for drug use. So application of the law is a non-issue. We're talking about a direct payment to the person on welfare that has prerequisites (which it already does). We are just talking about changing the prerequisite.

I just found it interesting that Roberte has been unwilling to share his location or other info as everyone else has. It is, of course, his right. But it is also my right to ask as well as it is also my right to wonder why he might not be willing to divulge this information.

[geoff_tropheus]

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If you got to pass a Drug Test at almost every workplace today, then why not pass a drug test for Welfare?

Is it not even colder to just keep on letting them continue to live the Welfare Generations?

What was the purpose of Welfare?

[geoff_tropheus]

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The biggest problem in most places is not that there is not work, it is the PERSON is not employable because of his criminal or drug problems.

Start drug testing, and giving incentives for positive grades, and taking away for negative attitudes and criminal activity..

Seems like the way to fix it.

[geoff_tropheus]

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Big difference between down and out and needing help vs. living on Welfare 365 all your life.

[Philbert]

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So...you advocate all citizens taking government mandated drug tests?

Self incrimination is no longer to be a taboo area of the law? No one who smokes a joint should be allowed into the public area in any capacity, as a school attendee, a driver on the public highways, or in any area where the population benefits from public funding?
You feel a special law pertaining to any welfare recipient, like your grandma's medicaid, should be granted under any circumstances if any direct or indirect beneficiary of the public funds is a drug user...once in 2 months is the same as daily crack use?
What class of government funding is not to be included...all student loans should be predicated upon weekly or monthly drug tests? All government employees are beneficiaries of goverment programs...insurance, health care, etc...are you exempting these people from the drug testing because they are employed? All unemployed are to be targeted for drug testing, but other groups feeding at the public trough are exempt?
Maybe all Muslims should be subjected to special laws, since many terrorists are Muslims. When do we begin passing specific targeted laws for Muslims, and don't forget any and all prescription drug abusers; let's get them all out of the public assistance area, and keep those smokers off as well. We can pass laws making nicotine testing mandatory, and overweight people should be made illegal so we can save that public health care expense as well...
Targeted laws are great...ask the older Germans, or check with former Soviet citizens. Maybe some Cambodians could weigh in here. After all, many military people were our greatest free thinkers...I guess doing your military duty makes you feel immediately qualified as a political theorist.
So...because you were a serving soldier you feel any idea you have is the right one...even passing laws penalizing specific citizens and giving a pass to those you approve of , which was always contrary to the American legal structure, is now ok because you did your time?
We no longer need the Bill of Rights, or any other protections for the minority from the majority? Just what were you fighting for... the American way of life or just for the adventure of it? All citizens enjoy equal protection of the law...including certain freedoms from intrusion in our private lives. Espousing removing these rights, or freedoms, from some citizens and not others, is not right...it's certainly not the American way. The price of Freedom is eternal vigilance...and it's a slippery slope when you begin legislating some behaviors and not others because of who is behaving a certain way.
I do not like the whole concept of drug testing...how is it equal to deny me employment 'cause I was buzzed for a few hours a week ago, yet you get to keep your job even though you were ****faced drunk and unable to function a a day ago?

You don't have the right to ask questions...just the freedom to do so. You can freely do the wrong thing as easily as the right thing...that's a choice.

[marauder_77868]

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Well...let me ask you this. Do you think the government has a right or responsibility to drug test federal employees?

Federal funding has stipulations attached to it all of the time. Take highway money for states, for example. There is no reason that federal funding for individuals cant have stipulations attached. There are stipulations for federally funded grants and scholarships for example. I might also add that some of those are based upon race, a type of discrimination not allowed by law as I recall. Your example of special laws for Muslims are uncontitutional, even though I know you weren't really serious on that point. The point is that there is no law or constitutional basis against discrimination based on drug use. It's not like we're trying to be mean...we're trying to clean some of these people up and give them a reason to become productive again.

[Philbert]

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Who are "these" people? Welfare money is gov assistance...disability, student loans, Medicaid and Medicare...all laws pertaining to gov assistance must apply equally across the board.

Open the door to requirements for a citizen to recieve govt assitance and you create a powerful force outside the freedom we supposedly cherish; you will have to fight every intrusion based upon a precedent enacted into law and soon there will be govt requirements for any group not following the general approval of the powers in office.

There are lines we must not allow govt to cross...I cringe every time I hear "you shouldn't mind being investigated if you have nothing to hide"; I may believe in a philosophy that doesn't approve of govt intrusion  (govt is made of people who have their own viewpoint...McCarthyism comes to mind), so that makes me a threat to the country. It never gets less intrusive, once one group is targeted for the extreme members of the group, it's a short step to other groups with some extreme members who justify a clean sweep of the entire class of citizen...welfare families can be addressed with current guidelines, but all welfare recipients aren't 3rd generation crack addicts. Crack is against the law...there are penalties for using, that should punish specific offenders. The idea of any drug use putting the needy out on the street is bull, since many Americans hold dear their own particular form of intoxication, and indulge as their personal right to choose. Many states are decriminalizing low level drug use, how can you espouse the opposite direction of stigmatizing users of recreational drugs simply because they are also on welfare?

One case I know of...me...after my heart surgery I was unable to work, had a wife and a 4 month old child; I had to wait 6 months before going back to work and needed to get "welfare" for food and Medical, for me and my family. During the 6 months I managed to keep us in a place to live, but I accepted several times reefer as a boon to keep the strain level low. I am and have always been a productive member of society, but losing welfare because I smoked a little is by no measure equal treatment under the law, surrounded by "legal" drug and alcohol using people by the hundreds of thousands. My use of reefer instead of addicting pain pills and antidepressants was a good personal choice, but according to ya'll I would have been on the street and without my family because I made a choice some disapprove of.

There is no excuse for allowing opinion to dictate law; apply laws equally to all or none.

[marauder_77868]

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Let me make it more specific...I mean direct payment...a check. Not Medicaid...not student loans...not disability. I think handing people a check to buy drugs with no effort to try to stop that is foolish.

[Jolley]

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That is very contradicting. You said "There is no excuse for allowing opinion to dictate law; apply laws equally to all or none. "

Consider all laws applied. You broke the law by smoking reefer. You made the wrong choice and put your family in jeopardy had you been caught purchasing and/or smoking reefer.

It doesn't matter why you smoked it. The law is in black and white.

Where is the ban him smiley? LOL!

[Nickintex]

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ushingit:

[Jolley]

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But where is that located Nick? And say NO to drugs! LOL!