40 years wasted

[wesleydnunder]

The war on drugs has been waged for the last 40 years. Billions have been spent on it. Today, drugs are more available and cheaper than ever. I think the current laws should go the way of prohibition...it didn't work either. I've heard all the arguements pro and con and at the end of the day, I don't think anything is being done to even slow the drug trade down. Just wondering what the fellow boxers think...

Mark

[marauder_77868]

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Sell drugs....death penalty.
That will clean it up pretty damn quick as well as a lot of other crime.
Of course, you have to end the whole endless appeal/20 years on death row thing to make it effective.

[JStrider]

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I agree... prohibition doesnt work, be it alcohol, or other drugs...

[jeebus]

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1. Federally legalize all drug use. Make selling all drugs a federal crime. Not the intent to sell, but the act of selling. Make the penalties very severe, but no death penalty. Death is reserved for those who kill, rape, or molest.

2. Federally regulate the license to grow, harvest, prepare, distribute, and sell retail marijuana. Make said license expensive enough that the drugs in turn are too expensive to buy off of shelves like candy - or beer.

3. Charge exorbitant local, state, and federal taxes for selling marijuana that would be used to fund public education and healthcare.

4. Continue to make it a state's right to choose whether it can be grown/harvested, prepared, distributed, or even sold.

The jails will empty, drug dealers will go out of business, the government coffers will fill (at all levels), law enforcement won't go out of business (as they all tell you the end of the drug war would do that), farmers across the nation have a new cash crop, and most drug users of other drugs will be content to spend all their money on legal marijuana.

If only common sense prevailed.  :?

[greg_tsam]

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Marijuana should be legalized and sold just like tobacco and alcohol.  It would bring billions into the revenue stream and taxes generated from the sales.  It would also introduce a renewable resource that is fast growing and eco-friendly that can be used for hundreds of applications from textiles, rope, clothing, oil, nutritional supplements, etc.  And don't forget that there are TONS of people jailed for marijuana charges that cost the tax payers millions every year in upkeep, legal fees, penitentiary costs.

Legalizing it would be a HUGE economic boom for the US and the people.  It's a miracle plant.

As far as the harder drugs such as meth, cocaine, heroine I believe these should continue to be scheduled drugs and be restricted and prohibited.

[CichlidFan]

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40 years of flim flam

In 1977, Michael Ruppert (google him) discovered an extensive drug trafficking operation run by the Central Intelligence Agency and went on record about this on-going criminal activity. He resigned from the LAPD in 1978 despite earning the highest rating reports possible, over the tolerance of continued CIA drug dealing activities.

http://novakeo.com/?p=1775

Yeah...that's right....our shadow government is instrumental in the continued war on drugs, simply because it makes them so much money, why let the drug dealers have it all.

CF

[PhishPhreek]

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Making drugs legal can;
Provide income from sales tax of legal products.
Reduce law enforcement expenditures.
Reduce courthouse load and help provide a speedy trial for more important cases.
Reduce the overcrowding in the prison systems.
Eliminate black market sales of drugs, drug wars & drug dealers
Eliminate the need for users to commit crimes to obtain drug money.
Prevent the flow of drug money to terrorists.

IMHO - drug use is a victimless crime.  But it has health issues.   So medically trained personnel should supervise drug use.   Not a filthy Crack house or opium den, but a clean & well-staffed clinic.  Drugs should be available at a reasonable cost along with counseling, rehab programs and job training.

[Darbex]

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Are we seriously talking about legalizing all drugs? I have mentioned before I do not consider Mary Jane in more different than your can of beer. But anything beyond that is out of the question should be shut down

[jeebus]

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I think when people say "drugs" or "dope", over 90% of them are thinking simply of marijuana.

[wesleydnunder]

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Are we seriously talking about legalizing all drugs? I have mentioned before I do not consider Mary Jane in more different than your can of beer. But anything beyond that is out of the question should be shut down

I was talking about all drugs. IMO, marijuana is no worse than any of the legal drugs; caffeine, nicotine or alcohol. According to former Surgeon General C. Everett Coop, marijuana is the least harmful of all the recreational drugs, including alcohol. While I think that the use of cocaine and its derivatives, opium and its offspring are dangerous and potentially lethal drugs, the fact remains that the attempted interdiction of these substances has proven completely ineffective. Nicotine is a lethal drug...so is alcohol. Why should they be legal and the others not? Like PP pointed out, drug use is a victimless crime. IMO it shouldn't be a crime at all.
All the reasons listed in the other posts for legalization are valid. The drug lords own both sides of this debate. They buy the politicians who keep the drugs illegal so the drug lords can continue to profit.

Mark

[Delock]

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Anything that can be grown in the backyard or garden should be legal

[Philbert]

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It is so naieve to just say "legalize marijuana"; there isn't any doppelganger to the herb in all the legal intoxicants out there, ie, alcohol and perscription drugs.
Smoke one toke of White Widow, or Romulan bud, and you are almost psycedelic. Smoke a whole joint of good Mexican, and you are giggling and having fun .
One amount is .01 gr, and another is .7 gr or more. Potency is vastly different, unlike alcohol content which is always measurable and the effect predictable. Jim Beam or Wild Turkey, Chivas Regal or Cutty Sark...90 proof is 90 proof.
Restricting THC content is almost impossible, curing one plant properly produces a much more potent THC content than the same strain not cured at all. Time produces more and more Delta9 TetrahydroCannibinal as the breaks down into pre-psychoactive Cannibanol, which becomes the low rotating Isomer Delta9 THC, which then breaks down into high rotating Isomer Delta9 THC, which then breaks down into non reactive Cannibidol. In other words, it gets better sitting around.
The potency per gram is determined by the amount of Cannibinol  and THC initially present, which determines the peak potency of the gram of marijuana as it changes into the various reactive chemicals; high rotating Isomer THC is what sends you off into the ozone, but all the other THC gets you high as well,
So, White Widow is so potent per gram that smoking .25 gr (nearly impossible for the average human) would send you into such an overdose of THC you'd get super dizzy, experience vertigo, throw up and generally pass out after an unpleasant half hour or so. Smoking .5 gr of really good Mexican would get you so high you'd forget what you were just sayin, etc...not close to sick and retching before passing out.
Just an example...
It looks alike and weighs the same; it's the chemical concentration that makes the vast difference. No one should even attempt to drive (hell, even walk) after a few hits on some kine bud; there would be no way to tell what you were smoking if you didn't know beforehand what it was, and anyone hitting some Manatuska and getting into a car would be more dangerous than a three or four beer driver.
How would it be sold or packaged? Would you have to be 21 to buy it? And how potent would legal reefer be? I have no use for weak munchie inducing reefer (too much Cannibinol) or nasty tasting low resin reefer. I also don't want to be done smoking after one taste for the night...I enjoy the flavor of reefer as much as I do the high, and being blotto isn't my favorite state of being; a nice buzz is good for a decent amount of time.
Many problems with marketing the herb, and way too many possibilities of abuse leading to a cessation of the legal availability.
Decriminalizing it...yes. Legalizing it...I don't see that any time soon.
:smokin:

[geoff_tropheus]

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Derek for Preez...

If it can be grown, you can have it!!

[Nickintex]

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Derek for Preez...

If it can be grown, you can have it!!

LOL Geoff! I was trying my best to stay out of this one!

[eklikewhoa]

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