Enough of the Cinco De Mayo nonsense

[Darbex]

"Moreno said students have previously put up flags from other countries, such as Germany, without incident."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6995047.html

[ImaGuyGeek]

I am not so sure if this student was being patriotic or being a kid. From what I am reading the school does the same thing for other nationalities as well and never had an incident. They and other students have said that the school has had heritage days from German descent and etc and the boy never raised an issue with those. So my question is was this really the first time any heritage day was put up or was this kid reacting to the negative publicity over the AZ law and that it would be a good idea to show what is being done to the American way. I am in favor with the immigration laws but if we are making everything equal then I do not see any issues with the school doing the Mexican flag as long as other nationalities are also displayed in the same spot on their heritage dates.

If you go to http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/podcas...chaelberry.xml and listen, you will see that there is more to the story.

The 16 yo student was in ROTC and was the one responsible for the raising of the US Flag. His issue was that the Mexico flag was displayed prominantly 4 feet above the American Flag in the hallway. This is a violation of "Flag Etiquette" (akin to letting the US Flag touch the ground) and he raised the issue with the Principal. He was blown off. He called his Mother who then called the school to raise this issue. She was blown off. He then removed the flag and went to the office where nobody claimed it. He then threw it away. He was given in school suspension and kicked out of ROTC as a result.

The issue was NOT the country the flag represented, it was the manner in which it was displayed. He has stated this since the incident on May 5th and has held to this. The School spokeswoman admitted that this was not the standard for the celebration of other countries "Heritage Days" as this was a flag that another student brought from home (with the schools permission) to display in the hallway with all the other flags.

[Darbex]

Yeah I dont go to the school so I am not sure how they do it for other events but some students have blogged that it was supposedly no different.

[nikkijean1]

You are correct, it's a made up celebration date not a holiday.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Holiday

Holiday:

1. A day free from work that one may spend at leisure, especially a day on which custom or the law dictates a halting of general business activity to commemorate or celebrate a particular event.
2. A religious feast day, a holy day.
3. Chiefly British A vacation. Often used in the phrase on holiday.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/holiday

holiday definition
holi·day (häl′ə dā′)
noun
holy day
a day of freedom from labor; day set aside for leisure and recreation
CHIEFLY BRIT. a period of leisure or recreation; vacation
a day set aside by law or custom for the suspension of business, usually in commemoration of some event

if you want to get technical you can find other definitions that suit your needs depending on the dictionary you use....a holiday can be something as simple as a day i take off of work to sit on my butt all day....the point is it was not just made up, somewhere along the lines it held a meaning and my main point was that it is not celebrated on a level that overrules any american holiday....citing isolated incidents at certain schools does not really back that up either....we don't know all of the details, the school could have had more pressing things to deal with, or testing that day, or he may have just had a temper and not been able to get his point across correctly, we will never know, but in an entire country that was 1 event....we cannot really base an entire representation of the day on that....think about how many schools are out there and that one school had a problem, is that percentage even close to being enough to acknowledge? not in my opinion...

[wesleydnunder]

My head is about to explode with the nonsensical outrage over the 5th of May.

Facts:
1. Cinco De Mayo is a made up BEER COMPANY holiday. It IS NOT a celebrated Mexican holiday in Mexico. It was fabricated by Corona beer to sell more Mexican beer by choosing a historical date and sensationalizing it into a beerfest.

2. This is the United States (Period). We should celebrate and allow the celebration of all cultures BUT never above the USA. I.E. It is NEVER, (I'll say it again) NEVER on any day acceptable in the United States to discourage ANYONE in this country from expressing their pride for the USA or to be openly patriotic.

It is the tolerance of the USA and it's people that resulted in the CREATION of this fabricated Beerfest holiday. If people want to celebrate this day and fatten the pockets of the beer companies, GREAT! But remember WHERE you are, WHY you're here and HOW it is that you have this right before you overstep and put this day ahead of the USA

All holidays are made up when you think about it.

Mark

[thekarens]

The flag may not have been represented correctly, but that child was still wrong. It was not his place to do what he did and it certainly wasn't his place to be throwing anything away. I know people outside of Texas that are totally offended by the fact that Texas can have their flag at the same level as the US flag.

I think we need to all learn some compassion and sensitivity to people who are different from ourselves and celebrate those differences instead of making major issues out of minor things. Cinco de Mayo is fun and a good excuse to go eat Mexican food and drink margaritas. If the schools or whoever wants to celebrate the Mexican heritage on that one day then big deal, the kids (or adults) who don't like Mexicans or Cinco de Mayo can live for one day.

[geoff_tropheus]

I love Mexican beer, and I love other things too.

What I dont like, is when Cinco De Mayo gets more buzz and celebration than does San Jacinto Day 4/21

How many people went out and celebrated San Jacinto Day with a Lone Star Beer?

I bet that ****load of you, went out and had a good ice cold cerveza for Cinco De Mayo though..

[nikkijean1]

I love Mexican beer, and I love other things too.

What I dont like, is when Cinco De Mayo gets more buzz and celebration than does San Jacinto Day 4/21

How many people went out and celebrated San Jacinto Day with a Lone Star Beer?

I bet that ****load of you, went out and had a good ice cold cerveza for Cinco De Mayo though..

did you celebrate san jacinto day?

[ImaGuyGeek]

The flag may not have been represented correctly, but that child was still wrong. It was not his place to do what he did and it certainly wasn't his place to be throwing anything away. I know people outside of Texas that are totally offended by the fact that Texas can have their flag at the same level as the US flag.

I think we need to all learn some compassion and sensitivity to people who are different from ourselves and celebrate those differences instead of making major issues out of minor things. Cinco de Mayo is fun and a good excuse to go eat Mexican food and drink margaritas. If the schools or whoever wants to celebrate the Mexican heritage on that one day then big deal, the kids (or adults) who don't like Mexicans or Cinco de Mayo can live for one day.

My original post

"If people want to celebrate this day and fatten the pockets of the beer companies, GREAT! But remember WHERE you are, WHY you're here and HOW it is that you have this right before you overstep and put this day ahead of the USA"

I don't have a problem with the day or the celebration. My problem is our leftist schools stifling students from being patriotic on ANY day.

[ImaGuyGeek]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/holiday

holiday definition
holi·day (häl′ə dā′)
noun
holy day
a day of freedom from labor; day set aside for leisure and recreation
CHIEFLY BRIT. a period of leisure or recreation; vacation
a day set aside by law or custom for the suspension of business, usually in commemoration of some event

if you want to get technical you can find other definitions that suit your needs depending on the dictionary you use....a holiday can be something as simple as a day i take off of work to sit on my butt all day....the point is it was not just made up, somewhere along the lines it held a meaning and my main point was that it is not celebrated on a level that overrules any american holiday....citing isolated incidents at certain schools does not really back that up either....we don't know all of the details, the school could have had more pressing things to deal with, or testing that day, or he may have just had a temper and not been able to get his point across correctly, we will never know, but in an entire country that was 1 event....we cannot really base an entire representation of the day on that....think about how many schools are out there and that one school had a problem, is that percentage even close to being enough to acknowledge? not in my opinion...

This was not an isolated incident. I have included as an example 1 local school and one in California. I can't have a reasonable discussion about this or any other issue if people are not willing to pay attention to the facts. There are many other examples out there for anyone interested.

COME ON! I even provided 2... 1, 2 examples.

[geoff_tropheus]

did you celebrate san jacinto day?

Well I did sort of...I did tell a number of people happy San Jacinto Day... but I did not down any LoneStar.

I did however go and have a couple Tecate with my Fajitas on Cinco De Mayo

[thekarens]

My original post

"If people want to celebrate this day and fatten the pockets of the beer companies, GREAT! But remember WHERE you are, WHY you're here and HOW it is that you have this right before you overstep and put this day ahead of the USA"

I don't have a problem with the day or the celebration. My problem is our leftist schools stifling students from being patriotic on ANY day.

And my opinion is that student wasn't be patriotic. He was being bigoted. That's my opinion and I'm referring to the one that threw the flag away. He was offended by the Mexican flag and when his concerns weren't met the way he thought it should be he took it into his own hands. I don't think it or he had a thing to do with wanting to be patriotic.

[jeebus]

The flag may not have been represented correctly, but that child was still wrong. It was not his place to do what he did and it certainly wasn't his place to be throwing anything away. I know people outside of Texas that are totally offended by the fact that Texas can have their flag at the same level as the US flag.

I don't think that's actually a law, but rather just a Texas school taught myth, like it being illegal to pick bluebonnets.

Back on point, I agree that technically the kid broke the rules, and therefore technically he must be punished. What we must all do however is step back and ask why he did what he did. Cinco De Mayo has gone from a simple marketing campaign to give Americans an excuse to drink and party one extra day every year, to a full blown celebration of Mexican and Hispanic/Latino pride. The problem is that in our country's history, no ethnicity or nationality has attempted to push theur culture so strongly since perhaps the first European settlers did against the native Americans.

Couple that with en masse illegal immigration along our massive southern border to Mexico, and of a predominantly Hispanic population, and the fear of Americans multiplies. Cinco De Mayo was just the spark to ignite the fuse of frustration among Americans who are tired of illegals taking jobs, soaking up resources (schools, hospitals, medicaid, foodstamps, etc..), and who seem to have no interest in contributing to our society, but instead holding on fiercely to theirs. This frustrates people like myself because they don't want to learn English, but they expect us to learn Spanish. They don't want to pay taxes and be on a payroll but they want to recieve tax sponsored programs. Worst of all, they don't want to become citizens, but instead live in this country and abuse its laws of equal rights and free speech for all by protesting the very laws they don't wish to abide by.

I'm sure had St. Patty's day been a big event in the northeast in the early 1800's before the Irish would have come over, the same thing would have happened once they were there. The Irish would march in the streets demanding equal treatment, and American's would oppose it.

[thekarens]

If it's a myth then why do they do it? I've seen the Texas flag as high as the US flag in several business places in Texas.

And as far as the Europeans and the Native Americans..............well, we all know how that one turned out.

[geoff_tropheus]

The first settlers? Try the first 400 years!!!

Columbus discovered America 1492 to the battle of Wounded Knee in 1890.