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[stevenallenbarnard]

How about the no-bid contracts for Halliburton that were handed out when the war first started. We have people complaining about bailouts and stimulus, but i remember it was Dubya who started the bailouts. But I guess when a republican does it it's good business, huh? Interesting point of fact, it was dubya's grandfather Prescot Bush, who was a senator at the time, who had a hand in drafting the bill that created the federal reserve and took us off of the gold standard. Incumbents aren't necessarily bad. if the people like you, you should stay. I just don't like political dynasties like the bush's and the kennedys. but then again, if the people vote for you, then it means they want you. I wish all measures passed through congress had to be approved by the people via yearly elections. that would truly be the only way to make this a country for the people, of the people and by the people.

[stevenallenbarnard]

Can you give any examples of these unaccounted billions?



So then why dig the hole deeper by pushing new programs, instead of just tightening the belt on the ones we have now. I just want to understand how spending money is going to save/make money?

It's a long term investment in the country and it's people. the only way to get our country rolling again is to get the people producing and spending again. somewhere along the way we became a nation that consumed more than it produced. it's status. Americans love to flaunt their wealth. we love to buy and waste expensive things just so we can say that we are able to. many of the new programs that were introduced were for things create new jobs (especially in sectors that are currently failing like construction) and to push education. Think of it like this, would you rather pay 30,000 dollars a year for four years to send a poor kid from the streets to college where he could actually make something of himself and become a productive, tax paying member of society, or would you rather spend 50,000 a year to lock him up for the rest of his life. There will always be have and have nots, it's inevitable. But we must realize that people who are desperate will do desperate things, and that socio-economic cycles will continue to repeat themselves. We can either deal with it and try to fix it, or all of the Atlas Shrugged quoting elitist can go live on your island and circle jerk each other until the end of time, because there WILL be someone right there behind them waiting for their chance to make something of themselves

[jeebus]

We have people complaining about bailouts and stimulus, but i remember it was Dubya who started the bailouts.

Conservatives didn't want those bailouts either. To touch on what you mentioned earlier about Obama vs. McCain.. G.W. was elected a second time in spite of all his faults because the alternative was Kerry, and what he was perceived to represent.. Much the same way Obama was elected this time because the alternative was McCain, and what he was perceived to represent.

Interesting point of fact, it was dubya's grandfather Prescot Bush, who was a senator at the time, who had a hand in drafting the bill that created the federal reserve and took us off of the gold standard.

Tthe federal reserve act was signed in 1913. A quick google search find that Precott was at Yale as a student.

The gold standard ended with the Nixon administration in 1971 and again a quick google search shows that Prescott would die one year later.

I'm not sure how you've tied two government actions 1913 and 1971 with Prescott Bush together. Your source for this "point of fact"?

[jeebus]

It's a long term investment in the country and it's people. the only way to get our country rolling again is to get the people producing and spending again. somewhere along the way we became a nation that consumed more than it produced. it's status. Americans love to flaunt their wealth. we love to buy and waste expensive things just so we can say that we are able to. many of the new programs that were introduced were for things create new jobs (especially in sectors that are currently failing like construction) and to push education.

The market has collapsed three times in the last ten years, yet no one on the left seems to understand how this happened, that it even happened, or how to recover from it. Occam's Razor would tell you that if you're in debt over your head, borrowing more than you already owe to start a new business that will recover all your debt plus allow you to prosper, simply will not work.

All these stimulus packages have done are postpone the inevitable - and at a great yet unrealized cost.

Think of it like this, would you rather pay 30,000 dollars a year for four years to send a poor kid from the streets to college where he could actually make something of himself and become a productive, tax paying member of society, or would you rather spend 50,000 a year to lock him up for the rest of his life. There will always be have and have nots, it's inevitable. But we must realize that people who are desperate will do desperate things, and that socio-economic cycles will continue to repeat themselves. We can either deal with it and try to fix it, or all of the Atlas Shrugged quoting elitist can go live on your island and circle jerk each other until the end of time, because there WILL be someone right there behind them waiting for their chance to make something of themselves

So you're saying that we should help those in need, but if we don't then those in need who have a true desire to do better will just figure it out and do it on their own.... kinda how prior to the new deal EVERYTHING in the United States was done?

As for the 30k vs 50k example, I don't understand. There is no context for me to understand that example except that we need to send every kid to college or else send them to jail.

[Delock]

Conservatives didn't want those bailouts either. To touch on what you mentioned earlier about Obama vs. McCain.. G.W. was elected a second time in spite of all his faults because the alternative was Kerry, and what he was perceived to represent.. Much the same way Obama was elected this time because the alternative was McCain, and what he was perceived to represent.



Tthe federal reserve act was signed in 1913. A quick google search find that Precott was at Yale as a student.

The gold standard ended with the Nixon administration in 1971 and again a quick google search shows that Prescott would die one year later.

I'm not sure how you've tied two government actions 1913 and 1971 with Prescott Bush together. Your source for this "point of fact"?

I thought GW was elected a second time due the US wanted to be in a war so bad!

[Delock]

The market has collapsed three times in the last ten years, yet no one on the left seems to understand how this happened, that it even happened, or how to recover from it. Occam's Razor would tell you that if you're in debt over your head, borrowing more than you already owe to start a new business that will recover all your debt plus allow you to prosper, simply will not work.

All these stimulus packages have done are postpone the inevitable - and at a great yet unrealized cost.



So you're saying that we should help those in need, but if we don't then those in need who have a true desire to do better will just figure it out and do it on their own.... kinda how prior to the new deal EVERYTHING in the United States was done?

As for the 30k vs 50k example, I don't understand. There is no context for me to understand that example except that we need to send every kid to college or else send them to jail.

Come on Glen lol

The 30k vs 50k?

Really?

[stevenallenbarnard]

The market has collapsed three times in the last ten years, yet no one on the left seems to understand how this happened, that it even happened, or how to recover from it. Occam's Razor would tell you that if you're in debt over your head, borrowing more than you already owe to start a new business that will recover all your debt plus allow you to prosper, simply will not work.

All these stimulus packages have done are postpone the inevitable - and at a great yet unrealized cost.



So you're saying that we should help those in need, but if we don't then those in need who have a true desire to do better will just figure it out and do it on their own.... kinda how prior to the new deal EVERYTHING in the United States was done?

As for the 30k vs 50k example, I don't understand. There is no context for me to understand that example except that we need to send every kid to college or else send them to jail.

So you think our prison populations are equally divided among races and economic lines? that there are just as many rich people in prison as poor?

[jeebus]

I thought GW was elected a second time due the US wanted to be in a war so bad!

His platform was war. It was better than Kerry or his platform.

So you think our prison populations are equally divided among races and economic lines? that there are just as many rich people in prison as poor?

What does that have to do with the stimulus packages?

[marauder_77868]

I thought GW was elected a second time due the US wanted to be in a war so bad!

He probably also got a bump from the sheer hatred the left wing shows for him. People don't like that sort of thing. Everytime someone says something about Obama, the Bush bashing starts. Ask Dan Rather how well that went for him.

[geoff_tropheus]

Then we can beat our gals

[myjohnson]

Always got to hate.

What I got to do you win your vote?!

[gotticgs]

make me vice pres

[myjohnson]

vice pres?

No. America needs a Mexican president. I'll be vice pres.

[gotticgs]

I would get assassinated in less than a week lol