911 hot points

[CichlidFan]

Building 7
First of Five HOT points.

http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

The 3rd building to fall on September 11th 2001.

This building was not hit by any aircraft nor did it have any real significant fires in it, but still, it came down later in the afternoon on the 11th. Now there are reports and pictures showing some fires burning inside and a small part of one of the walls was reported to have been damaged by falling debris from one of the two main towers but not enough damage was inflicted to bring this building down according to experts.

Now if you watch any of the many video's of it falling with an open mind, I'm fairly sure you will say to yourself that it sure looks like a controlled demolition.

Now it really doesn't matter what you believe, Larry Silverstein the buildings owner reports later in a interview that the building was brought down by the "authorities" due to the possibility of more loss of life.

The problem I have with this statement is how do you get a team of experts out there to the "crime scene" and bring down a building of this size in just a few hours?

The other big problem I have with Building 7 is that the Official report does not cover nor mention Building 7 at all....why not? If you have a copy of the 911 Official Report, and can show me any mention of building 7, I'd like to see it.

I will admit, I have no copy of this report, I'm only going by what I have read on various websites.

It has been suggested that this building was used as the command center for the attacks, used by who, I don't know, but this is one possibility according to some.

Check out the link above and see just who used this building and consider all the possibilities of who had a reason for wanting to bring this building down as well.

It's been reported that several Enron documents and evidence tapes from interviews with many top executives were lost in the building as well as many other important security files from Enron.

This is just one of my list of "lose ends" that in my mind surround the events of that day....

CF

[myjohnson]

ok, cool.

[jeebus]

Okay. Even if it was purposefully demolished, what's your point? At no point as WTC 7 been used as part of any governmental element to propel their agenda further, short of being listed as a lost asset that day.

WTC 7 is the garnish of the steak dinner that you're trying to argue is actually spam.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm

Here are some common sense facts to consider:

1. WTC 7 at 47 stories tall was not built to withstand any monumental impact from an outside source.

2. Fire burned uncontrolled from shortly after 9am until it fell EIGHT hours later.

3. Debris from the collapse of the north tower (and possibly the south tower) did strike WTC 7.

4. The impact of the planes into each tower sent a shock-wave of violent force downward that caused damage all the way into the basement of the site. Then when each tower fell witnesses stated that it felt like an earthquake. WTC 7 was only a few hundred feet away and shared underground and utility access that other buildings on the block did not share.

There were many more factors in play that day than just "small fires" in the building. To elude that anything beyond this happened you would have to assume that either before or after the tower impacts a crew of demolition experts planted explosives and then detonated them in a fashion like no other. There were no blasting cap explosions heard when when the building fell to support that claim.

As to the media pre-maturely reporting that it had collapsed - it was 9|11 and was the worst disaster in history. I watch live into the late hours of the night as did the rest of the world. We were all tired, confused, and just as desperate to grasp any information as the news was to report it. I have no doubt that when FDNY "pulled it" they meant they pulled any operations in and around that building. Many times building engineers will assist the fire department in a damage assessment and to the structural integrity of the building. The second every news agency got hold of this they started reporting it. They wanted to be the first and to keep you tuned into their channel. I personally remember it being reported that all fire department were being pulled out of the building (as it was reported) because collapse as imminent.

The ONLY proof of anything skeptics have is that the building fell "uniformly". That's not beyond what has been scientifically explained however as an interior failure and subsequent collapse upon itself.

Just to repeat my initial question: What is the point of "conspiracizing" WTC 7? How does proving its purposeful demolition further the 9|11 conspiracy agenda?

[CichlidFan]

The point is that they have lots of holes in their story about what happened on that day, and building 7 is just one of those holes.

I will not argue the point with you Glen, you believe what you want, we all do, I'm just not buying into their boogie man is going to get you story.....

Who ever did it, did it so the American people would get behind our president and go along with INVASION of Iraq, which turned into the war on terror, which will go on and on, until the next "pearl harbor" event where they can launch another attack somewhere else.

The point is...the government is out of control, doing whatever they want, and we are forced to go along with them under the guise of our patriotic duty.

In the mean time, they want our guns, they want to tax us into oblivion and they continue to have drills all across the country for all kinds of crowd control and whatever due to the ever growing tea party membership...

Next up on the "what a coincidence" list.....

How many market put options were made against United and American Airlines..

On September 19, 2001, CBS reported:

Sources tell CBS News that the afternoon before the attack, alarm bells were sounding over unusual trading in the U.S. stock options market.
An extraordinary number of trades were betting that American Airlines stock price would fall.
The trades are called “puts” and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were “puts”, far outnumbering “call” options, those betting the stock would rise.
Sources say they have never seen that kind of imbalance before, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. Normally the numbers are fairly even.
After the terrorist attacks, American Airline stock price did fall obviously by 39 percent, and according to sources, that translated into well over $5 million total profit for the person or persons who bet the stock would fall.

There's much more of these holes out there if you look for them...

CF

[jeebus]

The point is that they have lots of holes in their story about what happened on that day, and building 7 is just one of those holes.

I'm just not buying into their boogie man is going to get you story.....

Who ever did it, did it so the American people would get behind our president and go along with INVASION of Iraq, which turned into the war on terror, which will go on and on, until the next "pearl harbor" event where they can launch another attack somewhere else.

Well, if you're not going to argue the merits of your claims, then what validity do you have? You can't deflect from WTC 7 and say that the overall scheme was to invade Iraq. The Iraq Liberation Act of 98 was the official declaration of the U.S. to oust Saddam Hussein and references human rights crimes against him and his regime dating back to the early 80's. Are you insinuating that powerful men in a dark room on a mountain top secretly decided that causing 9|11 would the catalyst for the invasion of Iraq two years later? It did create opportunity, but the snow ball had been pushed off the hill way before that. All 9|11 did was speed up the inevitable.

The point is...the government is out of control, doing whatever they want, and we are forced to go along with them under the guise of our patriotic duty.

In the mean time, they want our guns, they want to tax us into oblivion and they continue to have drills all across the country for all kinds of crowd control and whatever due to the ever growing tea party membership...

There's no doubt the government is out of control, but who wants our guns and where are these drills to help prepare to quell specifically the tea-party movement? You do realize most LEO's are conservative and agree with the principles of the tea-party movement?

There's much more of these holes out there if you look for them...

They only seem to be found where you look for them.

[jeebus]

Next up on the "what a coincidence" list.....

How many market put options were made against United and American Airlines..

On September 19, 2001, CBS reported:

Sources tell CBS News that the afternoon before the attack, alarm bells were sounding over unusual trading in the U.S. stock options market.
An extraordinary number of trades were betting that American Airlines stock price would fall.
The trades are called “puts” and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were “puts”, far outnumbering “call” options, those betting the stock would rise.
Sources say they have never seen that kind of imbalance before, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. Normally the numbers are fairly even.
After the terrorist attacks, American Airline stock price did fall obviously by 39 percent, and according to sources, that translated into well over $5 million total profit for the person or persons who bet the stock would fall.

There's much more of these holes out there if you look for them...

CF

I had to go far to find your boogieman on this one: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

Of course governmental agencies investigated this one too, so its quite possible its all a cover-up.

[myjohnson]

I forget....what's the point to all this again?

[CichlidFan]

No point really needs to be made here......it's only a sounding board after all.....in the long run, what I believe or what anyone believes is all that really matters....

Life is what you make of it, but if you let others shape your environment, then good luck trying to make your way thru life.....

CF

[jeebus]

I forget....what's the point to all this again?

To debate the validity of 9|11 conspiracies between those who believe them and those who don't, in a friendly forum.

[Mzungu]

Okay. Even if it was purposefully demolished, what's your point? At no point as WTC 7 been used as part of any governmental element to propel their agenda further, short of being listed as a lost asset that day.
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Just to repeat my initial question: What is the point of "conspiracizing" WTC 7? How does proving its purposeful demolition further the 9|11 conspiracy agenda?

This is a question I have, as well.

I was looking around a bit today and found some pretty cool stuff, though - namely the huge pile of documents/videos/photos that the NIST was forced to disclose pursuant to the FOIA by the International Center for 9 11 Studies. They've found some interesting stuff so far. I was actually really impressed. Of course, like in any legal "discovery swap," there is so much to look through it's pretty daunting. But weird to consider that these documents/pictures/videos/etc. weren't publicly available previously, I am led to believe.

Although I am admittedly still on the fence in this "debate," it is pretty interesting to read about and watch.

The International Center etc. has a YouTube channel where I watched a lot of the videos that they've found and deemed important. Some I don't understand, like interviews with people that are obviously important to the whole "9/11 truth" thing but I don't know who they are.

The most interesting to me, however, were the videos that had a second or two missing. Kind of creates a catch-22, almost. The videos were of WTC 7 collapsing, but the missing parts were the seconds immediately before the collapse. So it's either the NIST didn't want anyone to see it, because WTC 7 is such a hot-point in this whole conspiracy thing, or it's all a big joke, or they want everyone to think it's all a conspiracy, or...oh, great. I just confused myself.

So after watching all these, and reading a little, the question I'd like to be answered is pretty much the same as jeebus's: IF WTC 7 was intentionally demolished, then WHY? You'd think that if such a thing were put into action, more would have been done to further the "point" made by its collapse. But the only people who seem to care about WTC 7 these days are the conspiracy theorists. (Or those that "edited" the videos released. )

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[CichlidFan]

Well....the consensus amonst us "truthers" is that WTC 7 was demolished because it might have been used in some fashion for the control or cordination of the attacks on the twin towers, a "command center" if you will....there is also the possibility that it was demolished to cover up or destroy evidence in several ongoing investigations into SEC cases....Either way, whatever the real reason, the building was brought down by explosives and this fact was kept from the general population for years.....

That's why the "truther's" have been chanting Inside Job for the past 10 years.....we need to have a REAL investigation into the events of that day....

CF