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Some of the weapons used.
1. Throwing metal objects
2. Acid bombs
3. Water Cannons
4. Ramming the boats with other boats
5. Noise guns
All of these can and have caused bodily injury or even death. There is evidence that water cannons aimed at the right spot can rupture a spleen and if not treated immediately will cause death. Remember these boats are in the middle of the ocean with a hospital over 2 hours away by helicopter in most cases.
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Even the whaling commission as requested the Sea Shepherds to stop their violent actions
"For its part, the whaling commission urged both sides to stop violent tactics, calling on “the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to refrain from dangerous actions that jeopardize safety at sea, and on vessels and crews concerned to exercise restraint,” according to the Associated Press."
The captain of the Ady Gil will be on trial in Japan for his actions and hopefully they give him the max
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Ugh. This is tough! There's so much stuff to sift through. Yikes.
Some interesting pages I've found so far:
I understand that most of you reading this probably won't feel like clicking on all those links. The above is more of a notepad for me than anything else, really. It's just a sample of stuff I've read through and can't even seem to get a grasp on the big picture yet, lol.
Ugh.
I did learn, however, that water cannons weren't used by the Activists, but by the Japanese."Millennium hand and shrimp!"Comment
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Actually, :| the activists are using water cannons this season. This is the first year though.Originally posted by Mzungu View PostUgh. This is tough! There's so much stuff to sift through. Yikes.
Some interesting pages I've found so far:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2010/0121/After-whale-wars-Greenpeace-tries-quieter-tack/(page)/2
I understand that most of you reading this probably won't feel like clicking on all those links. The above is more of a notepad for me than anything else, really. It's just a sample of stuff I've read through and can't even seem to get a grasp on the big picture yet, lol.
Ugh.
I did learn, however, that water cannons weren't used by the Activists, but by the Japanese.
And, yes, there is a lot of information on this subject and most of it is from other activist sites.
Oaul Watson, the Sea Shepard's leader was in fact kicked out of Greenpeace and that is how he formed the group.All men are created equal but his choices determine his value and what's in his heart determines his worth.
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Huh. Didn't know they were using the cannons, too. I guess the stuff I was reading was older.Originally posted by ImaGuyGeek View Post
And that's the factoid I was referencing earlier, about that guy being kicked out of Greenpeace. Thanks for the info!
There are very, VERY few times when I miss working at a law firm, but it's times like these in which access to actual legal proceedings, rulings, laws, etc. would really help.
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Edit: P.S. I was trying my hardest to steer clear of activists' sites and pro-whaling sites to get information, because I knew they would be waaaay too biased and probably very 'liberal' with 'truths.'"Millennium hand and shrimp!"Comment
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You should really watch the show. I think it's on OnDemand or Hulu. It's one of our fav's and it is very entertaining.Originally posted by Mzungu View PostHuh. Didn't know they were using the cannons, too. I guess the stuff I was reading was older.
And that's the factoid I was referencing earlier, about that guy being kicked out of Greenpeace. Thanks for the info!
There are very, VERY few times when I miss working at a law firm, but it's times like these in which access to actual legal proceedings, rulings, laws, etc. would really help.)
Edit: P.S. I was trying my hardest to steer clear of activists' sites and pro-whaling sites to get information, because I knew they would be waaaay too biased and probably very 'liberal' with 'truths.'
I will admit that the couple times they showed the wales being killed was difficult to watch but that is very rare to see on the show. I think we've seen it in 2 episodes in season 2.All men are created equal but his choices determine his value and what's in his heart determines his worth.
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Originally posted by ImaGuyGeek View Post
Additional note, it's kind of like a modern reality based 3 Stooges but with many more StoogesAll men are created equal but his choices determine his value and what's in his heart determines his worth.
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I think (THINK) it's more of an attempt to attack where they can. They being the activists on the Sea Shepherd. They're against killing whales, but know that there's no route they can take in order to really stop it. But since there's a lot of controversy about the whale meat 'trade' and the actual purpose of Japan's 'scientific' killing/researching whales, I'm guessing they're striking at the heart - i.e. the meat from the research-induced killing of whales can be sold for eating. Stop the supply/demand for whale meat as food, stop the sustaining funds for the Japanese research vessels.Originally posted by wesleydnunder View Post
Although my mind is spinning in circles right now, so it's very possible that doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by ImaGuyGeek View PostOriginally posted by ImaGuyGeek View Post
I might watch it, then. Gives me something to tune in to while waiting for Season 6 to come out.)
I'm also interested in the methods of culling/killing the Japanese are using. They say in many of their scientific publications that they only use the harpoon/grenade things, unless a whale is being difficult, in which instance they would use a gun or another harpoon/grenade.
The fact that they're using grenades seems to me to be pretty humane (not that I like it, but at least it seems instantaneous). The fact that activists like to call these harpoons (without the 'grenade' extension on the word) just irks me. One of many examples of being liberal with the truth I'd be sure to find if I was just perusing biased sites."Millennium hand and shrimp!"Comment
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You're correct MB and that is their misguided tactic. Attempt to stop the killing by not really stopping the killing but effecting the profit margin. The problem is that the Japanese have the ability to (and have in the past) killed way beyond their current self imposed limit. So the point is that the Japanese would only be put in a position to compensate by killing more whales.Originally posted by Mzungu View PostI think (THINK) it's more of an attempt to attack where they can. They being the activists on the Sea Shepherd. They're against killing whales, but know that there's no route they can take in order to really stop it. But since there's a lot of controversy about the whale meat 'trade' and the actual purpose of Japan's 'scientific' killing/researching whales, I'm guessing they're striking at the heart - i.e. the meat from the research-induced killing of whales can be sold for eating. Stop the supply/demand for whale meat as food, stop the sustaining funds for the Japanese research vessels.
Although my mind is spinning in circles right now, so it's very possible that doesn't make sense.
And in fact, in 3 seasons they have never successfully stopped a whale from being killed nor have they stopped a whale from being loaded and processed. I don't believe they have ruined/tainted any whale meat either. They are actually pretty useless.All men are created equal but his choices determine his value and what's in his heart determines his worth.
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Until it comes to ratings apparently. Personally, the only show I find more invalidating is Deadliest Catch. I feel like the purpose of that show is to try and make me feel guilty about wanting to pay bottom dollar for crab legs.Originally posted by ImaGuyGeek View Post
What a conundrum indeed.Experiencing an aquatic renaissance!Comment
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There are no International Maritime Laws preventing weapons used for security on ships. The laws become more difficult to nail down when you cross other borders and enter another nations waters. Then the laws are according to that Nation. Also, you do have to follow the Maritime Laws of your Home Port (Where the ship is registered)Originally posted by jeebus View PostAll men are created equal but his choices determine his value and what's in his heart determines his worth.
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Originally posted by ImaGuyGeek View Post
What about this article, that says they blame the Sea Shepherd group for their lowest catch in years? (I might need to corroborate that with statements from the actual ICR site, though...)"Millennium hand and shrimp!"Comment
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While looking, I found this page to be helpful in understanding the relationship between the Japanese whalers and the IWC:
And this, too:
From above:
Japan's whale research programs (JARPN and JARPNII)
Q: Can you describe Japan's whale research programs?
A: Japan has two whale research programs, one in the Antarctic that began in 1987 in response to claims by a number of members of the IWC that the scientific information was insufficient to properly manage whale stocks. This is the only long-term research program on whales in the Antarctic that is providing valuable information related to whales and the Antarctic ecosystem.
The other research program is carried out in the western North Pacific. This was originally a five year program which began in 1994. Phase II of this program began in August 2000.
Q: Are Japan's research programs a violation of the moratorium and the sanctuary in the Antarctic? Are Japan's whale research programs illegal?
A: No. Japan's whale research programs are perfectly legal. Article VIII of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) specifically provides for members of the IWC to issue permits for the killing of whales for research purposes. Article VIII of the ICRW begins with the words "Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention…" Further, both the moratorium and the Antarctic Sanctuary apply only to commercial whaling. Contrary to claims by Greenpeace, Japan's whale research programs are not a violation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Nothing in the UNCLOS diminishes or restricts in any way, rights provided by the ICRW.
Q: Why does Japan continue its whale research programs in the face of opposition from the IWC and world opinion?
A: Sustainable use and proper management of all marine resources should be based on scientific findings. Indeed, Article V of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling requires that it's regulations be "based on scientific findings".
Criticism of Japan's whale research program based on emotional reasons ignores both science and international law and is a rejection of the basic principle that resources should be managed on a scientific basis.
Anti-whaling is not the majority world-view. In fact, in 1992, the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, reaffirmed the provisions of the Convention on the Law of the Sea, an agreement that permits whaling on the high seas, and explicitly rejected the efforts of anti-whaling nations to exclude whales from the list of resources open to sustainable use and development. Further, at both the 1997 and 2000 Conferences of the Parties to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, more than half the countries present supported the controlled use of minke whales. Many fishing nations including Norway, China, Korea, Russia and Iceland, as well as many developing countries support the sustainable use of all marine resources (including whales) and research programs that provide for science based resource management decisions.
Q: Aren't Japan's whale research program simply commercial whaling in disguise?
A: The treaty (ICRW) requires that the by-products of the research be processed. The fact that the whale meat ends up on the market is a requirement of the treaty to ensure that resources are not wasted. It is not a "loophole" or "illegal" or "commercial whaling in disguise" as the anti-whaling rhetoric suggests. Income from the sale of by-products (meat) is used to partially offset the cost of the research.
Portions that particularly interested me are in blue."Millennium hand and shrimp!"Comment
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