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  • #16
    Thank you Ek for summing that up nicely. I've asked folks similar questions before, and got good answers, just not as complete as yours. Geral, I can't really answer your poll as I don't have any hands on experience. My first canister filter--a 2217 is according to UPS somewhere in Illinois ATM. I can give you some raw data and general thoughts for you to chew on.

    Prices based on best I could find in about 20 mins worth of snooping around on the net (not including taxes if applicable, or shipping if charged). Flow figures on filters are usually a bit pie in the sky over rated from real world figures. Fluval gives a no-media and with media (brand new media, probably less than crammed full) flow rate, Eheim lists just one flow rate.

    2 X Eheim2217. (Figures are total for both combined)
    Flow 528 gph. Media volume 3.2 gallons. Wattage consumed 40 watts. Price $259.98

    Fluval FX5.
    Flow 925/607 gph. Media Volume 1.5 gallons. Wattage consumed 48 watts. Price $239.99

    Eheim 2262
    900 gph. Media volume 4.8 gallons. Wattage consumed 80 watts. Price $399.99

    Other thoughts. The Fluval has a nifty double return and black, rather than Eheim hideous green tubing. You can dye tubing black or replace the Eheim parts with optional black ones. Two filters are usually better than one to provide multiplely redundant life support systems—but as you already have 2 AC 110s running that point is moot. I see your poll is set to run for a month—and you already have AC 110s—so I am assuming you have a little wiggle room before you add more filtration. If you really would like a 2262 maybe consider waiting an extra month to save up the $140-160 price difference? Those Eheims are supposed to last for decades with minimal repair. If you get one it’ll probably be with you the remainder of your fish keeping hobby. That being said the 2 X 2217s are a maybe better bang for the buck, and with 2 intakes and outputs would mix up the water better—but once again you have the 2 AC 110s so it makes little difference in your case.

    I’ve been told by a regular poster here who has used both FX5s and 2262s on the same tank that they would use the FX5 as all mechanical and the 2262 as all biological. I’ll let them expand on that if they wish to.

    It would help subsequent posters to form an opinion tell us if you are intending to use a very fine or sand substrate—due to as Ek pointed out the FX5s difficultly in dealing with that.

    I’m interested in comments others might have in comparing how difficult the various canisters are to restart, and how hard it is to crack them open and service them. Also interested in the convenience (if any) of the basket system in the FX5 vs. just piling media in loose with pad disks and or with media bags in the Eheims, vs. reduction in flow and less efficient water paths through the system.

    EDIT--Geez it took me so long to write the above everyone else had it covered before I posted it--lol.
    Last edited by Bedlamer; 04-15-2012, 11:56 PM.
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    • #17
      Lol! Awesome post Harry, and very helpful too.
      All bleeding stops eventually...

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      • #18
        FX5 ....all day...everyday !!

        OP only listen to reviews from people who have owned both of the filters being compared . Don't listen to people who say..."I've heard"....."I read"....."I know somebody".......because all they are doing is passing on info. based on what they read or heard . I currently have 2260......2262.....FX5.......2217....Rena XP3......Eheim 2026.....etc. Two 2217 will not out perform the FX5 mechanically . They will probably out perform the FX5 biologically . The 2260 / 2262 does not out perform the Fx5 mechanically either . There is a couple of test on the net and they all state that the Fx5 was better mechanically . I have used both on a 125 gallon with the same fish and the FX5 kept the tank cleaner . So basically, it will boil down to what you want more . Mechanical filtration or biological filtration . As far as sand getting into the impeller ........check with a member by the name of Autonet . He is running two FX5s in a closed loop with no problems at all . I personally have been running my two FX5s since 2008 without a single issue . Don't get me wrong....both filters are great .......I just feel that 1 FX5 will out perform 2-2217s mechanically . But if your focus is more on biological filtration.......then the 2-2217 will be superior .
        Last edited by supadave; 04-16-2012, 12:34 AM.

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        • #19
          Very good info bedlamer
          I will use sand as sustrate
          How much of that 607 with media are truth?
          Who else have experience with both?

          Thanks to all
          125 gal-P. Kachase,simochromis, vampire pleco,bn pleco,bulldog pleco

          55 gal- Ilangis ,clown pleco,abn pleco,rubber lip pleco

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          • #20
            Anwer ur question i forget i have 2 aquaclear 110
            And one 2217 right now
            125 gal-P. Kachase,simochromis, vampire pleco,bn pleco,bulldog pleco

            55 gal- Ilangis ,clown pleco,abn pleco,rubber lip pleco

            55 gal-Canary cheek,Ikola,duboisi, and fry

            10 gal -fry tank,snails

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            • #21
              Cost wise you would be better off getting a single 2217 to add.
              700g Mini-Monster tank

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              • #22
                Originally posted by supadave View Post
                FX5 ....all day...everyday !!

                OP only listen to reviews from people who have owned both of the filters being compared . Don't listen to people who say..."I've heard"....."I read"....."I know somebody".......because all they are doing is passing on info. based on what they read or heard . I currently have 2260......2262.....FX5.......2217....Rena XP3......Eheim 2026.....etc. Two 2217 will not out perform the FX5 mechanically . They will probably out perform the FX5 biologically . The 2260 / 2262 does not out perform the Fx5 mechanically either . There is a couple of test on the net and they all state that the Fx5 was better mechanically . I have used both on a 125 gallon with the same fish and the FX5 kept the tank cleaner . So basically, it will boil down to what you want more . Mechanical filtration or biological filtration . As far as sand getting into the impeller ........check with a member by the name of Autonet . He is running two FX5s in a closed loop with no problems at all . I personally have been running my two FX5s since 2008 without a single issue . Don't get me wrong....both filters are great .......I just feel that 1 FX5 will out perform 2-2217s mechanically . But if your focus is more on biological filtration.......then the 2-2217 will be superior .
                So you're saying my momma's, cousin's brother's, girlfriend's dad's experience isn't good enough?

                with the sand issue, I have yet to experience a failure but when cleaning the FX5 I will say dumping a cup of sand which is piled up right next to the intake of the pump is a bit unsettling. It may not fail now or soon but I would rather avoid it.
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                • #23
                  Gerald, I like my FX5s for mechanical filtration since I also run wet/dry filters on all my tanks. A few points I like to add is that I have sand substrates in my tanks as well and have found at most half a cup of sand my FX5s because the male trophs/petros keep spitting sand all over the place so some gets into the canisters. However, they don't make it to the pump and I haven't seen any ill effects yet. I run the FX5 sponges and Kaldnes K1 bio media in my FX5s now, no floss or polishing pads, and have found that I don't get as much clogging as I used to anymore and I don't need to open up the canisters for a few weeks to a couple of months to service them.

                  I have two 2262 now and have had 2217 as well but they don't seem to catch particles in my tanks as much as the FX5s do. Of course there are many factors affecting how a filter performs so you might have a different result. If you don't have a lot of flow in your tanks then lower GPH canisters will catch more particles.

                  My advise to you is to put all biomedia in that 2217 with a couple of layers of floss and then run the FX5 with sponge and biomedia as well.
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                  • #24
                    Ek......that's exactly what I'm saying . Lol

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                    • #25
                      I have 2 2217 on a 56 gallon tank keeps the water clean... Never had a fx5. But from a cost stand point the fx5 doesn't come with media so their is that added expense..
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sunkenmetal View Post
                        I have 2 2217 on a 56 gallon tank keeps the water clean... Never had a fx5. But from a cost stand point the fx5 doesn't come with media so their is that added expense..
                        That is a good point... Eheim's come ready to go out the box
                        700g Mini-Monster tank

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                        • #27
                          If it was me I would wait a little more save some more beans and buy the Ehiem 2262 and put them along with the other 2217. Go big or go home.
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                          • #28
                            nelson 2262 is not on my plans

                            2 -2217
                            1-2217 and fx5
                            only a fx5 and i sell u my 2217 lol
                            125 gal-P. Kachase,simochromis, vampire pleco,bn pleco,bulldog pleco

                            55 gal- Ilangis ,clown pleco,abn pleco,rubber lip pleco

                            55 gal-Canary cheek,Ikola,duboisi, and fry

                            10 gal -fry tank,snails

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                            • #29
                              have been reading they said the fx5 make more noise than the 2217

                              and a lot of people said make microbubbles


                              cleaning wise which one u guys think are the best
                              and how often they need cleaning service

                              onw thing i dont like about eheim the hoses are short
                              how about the FX5
                              125 gal-P. Kachase,simochromis, vampire pleco,bn pleco,bulldog pleco

                              55 gal- Ilangis ,clown pleco,abn pleco,rubber lip pleco

                              55 gal-Canary cheek,Ikola,duboisi, and fry

                              10 gal -fry tank,snails

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Geral View Post
                                have been reading they said the fx5 make more noise than the 2217
                                true

                                and a lot of people said make microbubbles
                                at start up and when they need cleaning(which is much sooner than eheim)

                                cleaning wise which one u guys think are the best
                                Eheim
                                and how often they need cleaning service
                                FX5 more often than eheim and you have no choice but to clean when it's time unlike an eheim
                                onw thing i dont like about eheim the hoses are short
                                You can buy cheap replacement to extend before the QD from the hardware store
                                how about the FX5
                                They use a proprietary flex hose unless you convert the whole thing over to std hosing but then you'll lose the nifty tank clips that hold the hoses in place as well as the nozzle/intake tube.
                                Think the cleaning part has been explained quite a bit in the thread already.
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