Getting back into the game

[mnemenoi]

Nope Tim stopped selling completely and is down to one tank with Black Moscow Guppies. ADG and Fish Gallery get them in usually.

[hungvanvo]

Hi , I try do the plant tank right now and I will use ADA soil and Fluval soil. I buy Fluval soil online on this site and I think it a good deal on 2 bags 17.6 lb for $69 . http://www.valuepetsupplies.com/fluv...-2x17-6lb.html

[Qs Evolution]

Nope Tim stopped selling completely and is down to one tank with Black Moscow Guppies. ADG and Fish Gallery get them in usually.

Oh man /: why did he stop selling?

[mnemenoi]

I have heard decent reviews of Contra-Soil from shrimpers, but nothing really from planted tank folks. Also Brightwell restarted making their soils, has only gotten pricier though. That Aquarium Place on the North Side is stocking Mr. Aqua shrimp soil, have been itching to try it as well

[Qs Evolution]

I have heard decent reviews of Contra-Soil from shrimpers, but nothing really from planted tank folks. Also Brightwell restarted making their soils, has only gotten pricier though. That Aquarium Place on the North Side is stocking Mr. Aqua shrimp soil, have been itching to try it as well

Yeah that's what I was looking at online the mraqua shrimp soil, I wonder how plants will do with that. Quick question, are bloody marry shrimps as easy to care as the cherry shrimp?

[mnemenoi]

Same species, but just like other further inbred lineages they seem to be less forgiving and have more stringent parameter demands. Low Grade CBS are far less fussy then King Kong Tibees. Same basics apply, the rili and Sakura were a bit harder then cherries, then the Bloody Marys and Blue Rili were even harder, the yellow and orange rilis are even tougher. They are basically bred in a line so the further along the lineages you get exponentially harder and more exacting shrimp. They are not impossible, just tougher then cherries and even yellows, blues or some Rilis. I have heard and read that the orange and yellow rilis are the toughest and even Caradina folks wince when trying to keep them happy and breeding

[mnemenoi]

Its basically the same thing as the other Ph reducing substrates. Most differ in color and Urea intensity (thus the initial Ammonia burn of ADA, versus the milder one of Fluval. They are all clay and used techniques garnered via the Akadama soil Bonsai specialists in Japan use. Amano was a Bonsai specialist for years before going the Aquarium path and brought the idea with him along with a few others, he just marketed it well.

[Qs Evolution]

Same species, but just like other further inbred lineages they seem to be less forgiving and have more stringent parameter demands. Low Grade CBS are far less fussy then King Kong Tibees. Same basics apply, the rili and Sakura were a bit harder then cherries, then the Bloody Marys and Blue Rili were even harder, the yellow and orange rilis are even tougher. They are basically bred in a line so the further along the lineages you get exponentially harder and more exacting shrimp. They are not impossible, just tougher then cherries and even yellows, blues or some Rilis. I have heard and read that the orange and yellow rilis are the toughest and even Caradina folks wince when trying to keep them happy and breeding

You kind of confused me there, lol but thank you!

[mnemenoi]

Its the general Neo lineage lines. New colors and variants are bred out of the most recent ones and knowing how the lineages are related and produced allows us to know how difficult they might be and their generally accepted parameters. I have read over a few speculative neo lineage charts and this is the most generally accepted one, but folks opinions differ and there are always items of contest. The Caradina is much better know and Rah Bops did a terrific chart for it that might help in understanding

[mnemenoi]

[mnemenoi]

Here is a SCAPE thread that is likely one of the better bases for the Neo lineages and connections, though as you can see its highly contested and argued.

[Qs Evolution]

Wow! That is crazy lol that's a lot to take in, and all the information about them. I wish I was able to keep something like the pure black ones

[mnemenoi]

There are black neos as well, often called Carbons. Fish Gallery had some in last time I went. Carbon Rilis also exist. Someone needs to do a chart like that for neos, but thus far that really bad chart is all we have to work with. Here is a straight Carbon from Segrest

[mistahoo]

I have heard decent reviews of Contra-Soil from shrimpers, but nothing really from planted tank folks. Also Brightwell restarted making their soils, has only gotten pricier though. That Aquarium Place on the North Side is stocking Mr. Aqua shrimp soil, have been itching to try it as well

Mr aqua soil. Does it look like ADA soil? If so, I'll be trying it in my next tank

[mistahoo]

There are black neos as well, often called Carbons. Fish Gallery had some in last time I went. Carbon Rilis also exist. Someone needs to do a chart like that for neos, but thus far that really bad chart is all we have to work with. Here is a straight Carbon from Segrest

Picked up some carbon rillis not too long ago. Very nice strain of rillis. This is a picture of mine newly introduced. They've colored up a ton and are now looking fully colored in. Looks purplish black all over the body